ru ignorant enough to think that LFR had zero to do with the millions who have left Wow since LFr introduction?
Im pretty sure that a section of that group who have left will have some whose reasons were heavily connected to LFR. Ofc its totally impossible to measure how large or small that group is, but its foolish and ignorant to try to pretend LFR had absolutely nothing to do with the everyone whose unsubbed since LFR was introduced.
Please realize Wow hit market saturation during Wrath. There was no subscriber increase for nearly 2 years and it was only due to China getting Wrath that subscriptions hit 12 million and before that the only substantial increase in subscriptions was at the end of TBC with 11.5 million. Subscription numbers have little to do with quality or difficulty of the game and have far more to do with other factors entirely beyond Blizzard's control such as the age of the game, competition with other mmos and a changing market not to mention the players themselves changing. Again trying to attribute subscriber loss to your pet issue just makes you look ignorant and whats worse shows even you don't think your opinion can stand on its own merit.
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And yet we still have LFR and cross realm zones.
I still disagree. There was not enough MMO players flocking to the game for it to really be the driving factor behind the "hook". All my friends in EverQuest played for about a month before they went back to EverQuest.
Like I said, most of the hype behind WoW came from the cemented fanbase on Battle.net, and a rich history of three RTS games. Word of mouth did much of the rest, and the high reviews helped from that point, a lot of it focusing on how "easy" and "accessible" the game was compared to the competition. "MMO players" had little to do with it, and wouldn't have been large enough of an influx to really be a hook for anything.
I think most of the armchair developers in here would be lucky to even have Blizzard look at their resume much less hire them. As I said before GC was hired because he had the experience and qualifications for the job. You can dislike him as much as you want and disagree with him as much as you want, he is still infinitely more qualified to make decisions for the game than the whole bunch of you combined.
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Why is that funny? GMs aren't developers and don't have the ability to change the game for you. They direct players with suggestions to the forums because that is where those who can change the game will be able to see it. It is simply astounding to me that players get butthurt over this.
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They aren't getting rid of LFR. No amount of suggestions or "brilliant" ideas is ever going to convince them that taking content from others is ever a good idea. Get over it. It isn't happening. Ever.
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Something you people need to get straight is that taste is subjective. No one is wrong in what they like. It isn't possible.
Before you get even more emo on the topic, I'll point out that you're barking up the wrong tree. My 'raid' time in this expansion has entirely consisted of LFR, so no, my own personal entertainment of the game is indeed not impacted by other folks running it.
I'm not requesting that anyone else be denied content, I'm pointing out that all things have an effect on all players in this game, often very indirectly. LFR most certainly does have an impact on other aspects of the game, and there are statistics to back this statement up.
For a game to make money, it absolutely, positively needs to be deemed entertaining, first and foremost. Everything stems from whether a game is entertaining or not. One is a necessity, the other is a hopeful result.
So taking ideas from mod developers who probably aren't as experienced and qualified is bad?
Still waiting for the 'level number' to appear besides my quest in the quest log just like my mod
They removed old 1-60 and certain content that many people kept doing even at max level, what does that say about 'removal of content' hmmm?
Most truly hardcore players will do whatever it takes to have an edge and don't sit around whining about it.
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Thankfully it isn't up to you. If anyone needs to go it is people with your attitude.
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Flying mounts much like LFR were a positive addition to the game. Neither is being removed so let it go already.
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And just because people dislike something doesn't mean it is bad for the game either. I'm just absolutely floored that you can say something like that not realizing how hypocritical it is.
Have you noticed the demands for raid nerfs have stopped? Have you noticed when Blizzard adds new challenging content there isn't anyone saying nerf it? Ever think to consider things like LFR has given players options meaning people can get the content they want without it being at the expense of others? I was a staunch supporter of Blizzard implementing challenging content during Cata and to this day I still am and my main reasoning for it was NO ONE should have content taken away. Not the hardcores and not the casuals. There is absolutely ZERO reason for either camp to be bitching and whining right now and the fact you people are incapable of ever shutting the fuck up about LFR is just sour grapes proving it was never ever about having challenging content it was all about exclusion. Every single last one of you can take a hike and I'm ashamed I ever defended any of you.
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This isn't rocket science folks. People quit the game for many many different reasons not all of which have ANYTHING to do with the game. Cata had several significant issues and there was no single magic bullet issue that was the only reason people quit. Stop it.
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No it isn't Blizzard's fault players abuse quality of life changes to the game. I said it before and I will say it again, this is only a lobby game if you treat it like one. LFD was meant to supplement player formed groups not replace them. LFR was meant to provide an option for players who can't commit to a raid schedule, not replace normal/heroic raiding. Every single thing in game in terms of progression still requires group play and group effort and requires building and maintaining a community. Nothing Blizzard has done has changed that. NOTHING. The only thing that changed is that players are so butthurt over things like queues they have decided to let the community rot in retaliation and blame Blizzard for the problems they created for themselves. It is flat out childish.
What's worse is in response Blizzard has implemented new challenging content like challenge modes and heroic scenarios that don't have a queue system and the exact same people bitching and whining that the queue system exists are screaming bloody murder that they don't have it for this new content. Why should Blizzard listen to ANY of you? None of you know what you want nor even have a clue what you are talking about.
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"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
So why not let the unskilled have LFR and leave normals for skilled players? How is this a problem in any way whatsoever? It is the very reason Blizzard hasn't been nerfing raids. You are butthurt not only that they have an easy version of raids but that they have lower quality versions of "your" gear. You are flat out lying to claim excluding others isn't a main component of the complaints about LFR and accessibility and even Blizzard has straight up said this as well. They called all of you on your bullshit and has made it clear they aren't going to put up with it anymore. Notice they have been locking the LFR complaint threads? There is a reason for that.
Not really.
There have been several threads asking for the celestial challenge to be nerfed.
Once SoO opens, you can be assured that requests for nerfs to normal will happen, despite 2 easier modes now being in place beneath it.
In one sense it's true that the vast majority of WoW players have quit, because many more people have quit WoW than are currently playing it.
On the other hand, lots more new players/victims keep signing up, and overall active subscribership is still high (as in more than the rest of the game's genre combined) even though it is declining.
Why are you so invested in what others do? If they aren't in your raids and they aren't making demands to change your raids why do you give a fuck what they are doing? LFR allows Blizzard to put the difficulty back into raiding and rather than be thankful for that you bitch and whine and moan about players who never would have raided with you in the first place are doing LFR and having fun. Get the fuck over yourself.
Who the hell do you think you are? if anyone is a "little kid" here it is people like you who are butthurt over LFR and can't let it go and continually cry about it even once Blizzard has made it clear they will NOT be removing LFR.
Get.
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And yet they are in LFR and tend to stick to LFR and don't ruin your raids. Again what is the problem here? The people in LFR weren't raiding at all prior to LFR so I'm really confused as to what the actual issue is here.
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You do realize hardcore raiders are usually the ones who only subscribe long enough to clear content right? Casual players tend to play longer than hardcores and subscribe for longer periods of time. LFR gives them something new to do in addition to what they were doing before which means they have more to do and have more reason to stay subscribed longer. You really have no fucking idea what you are talking about do you?
Except you have no way of knowing the the other 8 million people are content or not, if they care or not, or if they will even see the changes or not, Because somebody shows complete and utter disregard for any public form of communication, does not mean their opinion defaults to negative regarding every single point brought up.