ptr LFR chaos

[Bigneo]

In order to get prepared for next tier and also out of curiosity I went last night on PTR trying to see the SoO bosses on LFR. After short time I got in a group which just wiped on Immerseus. They had already 4 wipes ( based on determination stacks ) and I was thinking: ok, by now everybody read probably the dungeon journal, we will eventually got it down. But I was so wrong ... we kept wiping either due to ninja pools or Sha Puddles reaching boss. After some ~6 more wipes the tanks were having ~ 1 mil HP and the rest ~ 700k hp ( in normalized 496 gear ! ) ... but still wiping. At that point I dcd and after restarting the game couldn't enter anymore ( duplicate char name ) so I just logged off.

Now my question is: why do casuals get on PTR ? And if they do, why they don't listen and are not able to switch to some adds when they see that because of that the group is dying over and over again ( 10+ times) ?
I know that normally as a raider you should learn the next tier on ptr in an organized group, but when ppl are on vacation or not all raiders care about ptr testing, ppl like me get in this situation. Ofc these are rhetorical questions ... but hey some of us haven't lost the faith in humanity yet Already I can imagine the initial wipefest which will be on live lfr and the following nerfs to some mechanics ... deja vu

[Deleted]

Now my question is: why do casuals get on PTR ? And if they do, why they don't listen and are not able to switch to some adds when they see that because of that the group is dying over and over again ?

This thread will get nasty, so much trolling and stupidity there..

These fights are new, so probably not tuned correctly, gear is scaled down to 496, on live most people will have 510+...
You expect people to faceroll a few days after the fights are available ?

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Perhaps it's actually a dedicated guild wiping over and over again just to try Blizzard to make the content easier?

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This thread will get nasty, so much trolling and stupidity there..

These fights are new, so probably not tuned correctly, gear is scaled down to 496, on live most people will have 510+...
You expect people to faceroll a few days after the fights are available ?

Actually, since it's LFR.. Yes. ToT LFR can probably be done in full 463 gear with a dedicated group and it's tuned to 480.

[Bigneo]

This thread will get nasty, so much trolling and stupidity there..

To be honest I wasn't really trolling ( maybe a bit ) but essentially this post is just to illustrate what is currently going on ... and really I would like to believe that any casual is able to switch to some adds.

And also is not about gear, but its about not half of the raid afk-ing ... In current state of this encounter you more or less need to rely on most of ppl switching because everybody is quite spread around the boss, and even if you want to help others you can't run around too much. For reference the adds move quite slowly, their hp is low, can be slowed, pushed back, really easy to handle if you know a bit to play your class.

You expect people to faceroll a few days after the fights are available ?

Where you got this from ? I never expected lfr to be facerolled on ptr, or on live in the first weeks for that matter, but to wipe endless also with determination stacks is something else.

Afterall the whole reason to come to lfr on ptr is to see / learn the new encounter, because as I know you don't get any loot or other form or reward

[Deleted]

To be honest I wasn't really trolling ( maybe a bit ) but essentially this post is just to illustrate what is currently going on ... and really I would like to believe that any casual is able to switch to some adds.

But why the fuck do you assume that casual = bad ?

[Asrialol]

But why the fuck do you assume that casual = bad ?

The community has been using "casual" as another word for "bad" for years. Basically if you're casual you dont bother learning class, boss mechanics, etc.

[Chickat]

Perhaps it's actually a dedicated guild wiping over and over again just to try Blizzard to make the content easier?

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Actually, since it's LFR.. Yes. ToT LFR can probably be done in full 463 gear with a dedicated group and it's tuned to 480.

Immerseus should be slightly easier after the restarts that are occurring right now.
(Edit: More than «slightly» — — many of his attacks were using their Normal mode damage values, which was simply a bug.)



Thats a blue post during the lfr testing. So a lot of his attacks were using the normal mode version. He was way over tuned for lfr. There is your reason.

[Bigneo]

But why the fuck do you assume that casual = bad ?

Maybe you should watch your language, you know kids might read this forum ...

Also I see you don't understand, did I said casuals = bad ? No. I actually have seen in the past casuals playing really good. But here is not about dps / heal and such. What is RLY BAD is when a casual or a troll just comes to a group ( any kind for that matter ) and plays bad. This includes not listening to others, not even trying to understand some mechanics and so on...

[Rigsy]

We are having this problem in the current content, people not listening or understand some mechanics even after explaining, some of the recent fights are simply just too complicated for a certain type of player, each patch seems to get harder pushing the casual player away from the game and this is not productive if blizz wants to keep the loyal subscribers which the majority are casuals.

The better player usually clears everything in the first month or so then goes away does other things/games but the casual less adapt player plays wow for longer, having more alts ect but with the raids getting more inaccessible these players will have no reason to aim for end game because it simply takes to long to grasp and becomes too frustrating to continue logging in everyday just to battle with the same mistakes from various people.

[Asrialol]

Maybe you should watch your language, you know kids might read this forum ...

Also I see you don't understand, did I said casuals = bad ? No. I actually have seen in the past casuals playing really good. But here is not about dps / heal and such. What is RLY BAD is when a casual or a troll just comes to a group ( any kind for that matter ) and plays bad. This includes not listening to others, not even trying to understand some mechanics and so on...

A Hardcore raider can also be bad. I see sooo many people in normal/hc gear that are just plain out horrible. It's not really a casual-only thing.

Also, if he wants to write "fuck" then I dont see the issue. Kids these days will learn to use these words since they're all around the internet.

[Soisoisoi]

Maybe you should watch your language, you know kids might read this forum ...

Sorry but I actually laughed at you. If someone thinks swearing is bad on a forum, when they're letting a kid on the internet, then... I don't even know what to say. Anyone got a link to the whole UK Porn/other stuff censor thing going on here?


OT:
As mentioned, "casual" is commonly used term for "bads". Anyone can be bad, no matter how much or what content they play and I generally go against it, but really, even casual players have started making me just say it now since everyone keeps using the excuse "it's just a game" or "I don't have time to research I just play". Then yeah, that's when "Casual" and "Bad" overlap. There's never an excuse for making the rest of your group carry you. :<

For the actual question, then probably because some people use it like a private server, making fully geared 90s just to be OP for a while. I know I used to, I remember doing it back during a few of the TBC PTR patches.

[KaPe]

Seems like PTR LFR is getting the exact kind of people it needs for testing. Those are the kind of players that are going to be raiding this on live servers and it's supposed to be tuned for them, not hardcore raiders. Sure it's not impossible for "hardcores" to judge if mechanic X is too hard for "average player", but their perception is still somewhat skewed. It's only when you have steoretypical "stands in all fires, don't switches targets, barely follows mechanics from time to time" that you can really see how bad it's going to be on live.

[Bluesftw]

But why the fuck do you assume that casual = bad ?

Unfortunately because thats a 'go to' excuse of people that dont bother to gem / enchant / reforge gear or dying to simple mechanics.

Now bact to topic, lfr scaling is probably way off on ptr, like it usually is, aswell as stability of ptr isnt too great. With people disconecting left and right, lags and bugs its easy to missjudge fights or quality of the group.

[Bigneo]

Sorry but I actually laughed at you. If someone thinks swearing is bad on a forum, when they're letting a kid on the internet, then... I don't even know what to say. Anyone got a link to the whole UK Porn/other stuff censor thing going on here?

This means that my line triggered the expected feeling ...

[Soisoisoi]

This means that my line triggered the expected feeling ...

You just admitted to trolling. You do realise that?

[Deleted]

But why the fuck do you assume that casual = bad ?

Casuals don't practice so much, they don't have..."time" to read up on tactics or read guides on how to gear up. Not to mention lots of LFR heroes have issues with authority and can't take advice or directions without interpreting it as elitism.

[Nobleshield]

They were testing it like anyone else? What, do you think only the top 10 guilds should be allowed on the PTR to test or something? These "casuals" (by which you imply "terrible scrubs") have the same right to try out new content on the PTR as you do. If it wasn't for the fact all of their raid testing is done in the middle of the freaking day when most people are at work, I'd be on the PTR testing things out in those modes as well, as well as looking at LFR.

No offense but this and several recent posts from accounts with extremely few posts have me suspect about whose doing the posting as they all seem to say the same kind of things (usually insults towards "casuals" or disparaging remarks about LFR and/or Flex raids) and there have been more than the usual amount of them lately.

[Sonnillon]

Threads with discussion over "casual" vs "true" raiders in any form, will end up mainly people bashing one another and their opinions on the topic, thus leading to none constructive discussion.

Closing thread.