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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Amorise View Post
    You do realize if she made a Scourge type plague, the Argent Crusade would mobilize and join the Alliance in wiping her off the face of Azeroth right? This is the epitome of being a fanboy. It's been stated in the lore already that Sylvanas can't defend her land and is fearful of invasion. No hypotheticals. Just canon lore.

    She simply doesn't have the manpower to hold up in a long battle and if she were to be the aggressor on more than Gilneas, she has a lot of groups who want her head on a stick. She's already being eyed by the Ebon Blade and Argent Crusade as is.
    she is just pretending to be weak.

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    given the new "friends" the val kyr....yes yes she can

  3. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    given the new "friends" the val kyr....yes yes she can
    Most of which are already dead and never were an "IWIN" Button. Hell we beat the Scourge and they had much more than just that.

  4. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Arthas destroyed all the granaries storing the Plague. There is no way to access the original Plague vector. All the Forsaken have is what has been floating around in the environment and incubating in various animals. And its turning people undead was directly tied to Ner'zhul's necromancy, it was designed to turn humans into undead under his control so he could feed off their souls.

    You really missed all the forsaken quests where alliance prisoners get something to eat/drink and turn into undead condition, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    You really missed all the forsaken quests where alliance prisoners get something to eat/drink and turn into undead condition, right?
    And if it worked, Sylvanas wouldn't have been so relieved to have Val'kyr to repopulate the Forsaken.

    Yes, they tried to make it convert people into undead, but they never got it to work so it's moot. It's not as simple as just replicating the Plague's effects. They don't want any new undead created by it to default to the LK's control. They have to separate the "LK control" from the "make undead" functions which is hard since they were so closely tied together in the original Plague.

  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    You really missed all the forsaken quests where alliance prisoners get something to eat/drink and turn into undead condition, right?
    only temporarily and die soon afterwards most likely the plague is too much of a strain on the corpse to use it long term
    The world was just as bad when you were young as it is today. You only see it now because of your age.

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    she is just pretending to be weak.
    This statement is proof that the thread has gone as far as it's going to.

  8. #468
    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post

    and If the Forsaken did cross the Horde by trying to take all of Eastern Kingdoms for themselves they would then have the Horde marshaling their navy to head straight for the Undercity.
    They head straight for the undercity turned as undead once there they will guard it for the forsaken.

  9. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by Amorise View Post
    This statement is proof that the thread has gone as far as it's going to.
    It's hard to deal with more rabid forsaken fans.

    but in truth Sylvanas fought her hardest in Gilneas and still ended up at a bitter victory at best.
    The world was just as bad when you were young as it is today. You only see it now because of your age.

  10. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by Amorise View Post
    This statement is proof that the thread has gone as far as it's going to.
    this thread is proof, that most here are alliance fanboys, but hardly Sylvana fanboys, which is funny, i smile everytime when i see biased posts in this tread and alliance players uncreative minds defending against the forsaken invasion.

    A biological weapon of mass destruction against some military consisting of tanks, air force, navy and what not - all pretty useless cause the enemy is invisible. Why ignore the scourge plague in wc3? obviously alliance had no chance against the plague, the BL wasn't even needed at all to take EK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galosengen View Post
    Most of which are already dead and never were an "IWIN" Button. Hell we beat the Scourge and they had much more than just that.
    lol, the only reason we won against the Scourge was because of Tirion pulling off a miracle, not because of our martial prowess

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    It's hard to deal with more rabid forsaken fans.
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    calling people fanboys does not add or dillute a persons argument in the slightest
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    They head straight for the undercity turned as undead once there they will guard it for the forsaken.
    the Forsaken can only raise Humans and Elves so far and would be unable to make use of Horde Corpses
    The world was just as bad when you were young as it is today. You only see it now because of your age.

  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    It's hard to deal with more rabid forsaken fans.

    but in truth Sylvanas fought her hardest in Gilneas and still ended up at a bitter victory at best.
    Played some worgens in gilneas....i dunno what to say.......the worgen fled. It was bitter to play a worgen and leave the homeland, event travel as far as Kalimdor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    and If the Forsaken did cross the Horde by trying to take all of Eastern Kingdoms for themselves they would then have the Horde marshaling their navy to head straight for the Undercity.
    why would the Forsaken attacking the Alliance be a cross against the Horde?
    They are both enemies and rivals, the last thing they care about is the others welfare
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  15. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    why would the Forsaken attacking the Alliance be a cross against the Horde?
    They are both enemies and rivals, the last thing they care about is the others welfare
    This scenario states that the Forsaken would try and take ALL of Eastern kingdoms that includes horde territory
    The world was just as bad when you were young as it is today. You only see it now because of your age.

  16. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    the Forsaken can only raise Humans and Elves so far and would be unable to make use of Horde Corpses
    won't make any logical sense, but provide proove for this? Novel? Something said about ingame? I mean even human death knights under the command of Gul'dan and Nerzul could raise orcs as undead skeletons for example.

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    Something I don't get, and is something of major oversight in the writing, is why the Forsaken don't try to liberate Scourge more often.

    "With the death of the Lich King, many of the more intelligent Scourge became...unemployed. Those 'fiends,' as you so delicately put it, are called val'kyr. They are under my command now..." Why don't we see Sylvanas recruiting more of those unemployed Scourge?

    "With Arthas gone, so too was the control he held over the undead masses of Lordaeron. After recovering my body, I freed the remaining Scourge that were left behind." Why doesn't she do this more? There are still plenty of Scourge left in Lordaeron.
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  18. #478
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    won't make any logical sense, but provide proove for this? Novel? Something said about ingame? I mean even human death knights under the command of Gul'dan and Nerzul could raise orcs as undead skeletons for example.
    http://www.wowhead.com/quest=27548

    Our enemies are becoming smarter - adapting to our tactics. Recently an attack was made upon Pyrewood Village, southwest of here. Our troops occupying the town were decimated, of course, but what made the attack especially interesting was the racial composition of the attacking force. No humans were used.

    <Walden laughs.>

    Rightfully, they fear being reanimated as Forsaken.

    Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use.
    The world was just as bad when you were young as it is today. You only see it now because of your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    the Forsaken can only raise Humans and Elves so far and would be unable to make use of Horde Corpses
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    won't make any logical sense, but provide proove for this? Novel? Something said about ingame? I mean even human death knights under the command of Gul'dan and Nerzul could raise orcs as undead skeletons for example.
    Val'kyr can only raise humans, they can't even do elves (Sylvanas is a special case because of the pact).

    Lessons in Fear says the Val'kyr can only raise humans.
    Our enemies are becoming smarter - adapting to our tactics. Recently an attack was made upon Pyrewood Village, southwest of here. Our troops occupying the town were decimated, of course, but what made the attack especially interesting was the racial composition of the attacking force. No humans were used.

    <Walden laughs.>

    Rightfully, they fear being reanimated as Forsaken.

    Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use.


    InB4, "but they're worgen"... They're not. They're specifically talking about Night Elf, Dwarf, and Gnome members of the 7th Legion.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Not only are the Val'kyr less powerful than the Lich King when it comes to raising the undead, but the worgen curse also makes raising them into undeath far more difficult than it is for normal humans. (Source)
    Worgen curse aside, Val'kyr are weaker than the LK at raising undead.
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    Couldn't take Gilneas, couldn't take Eastern Kingdoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvetlanaSvetlana View Post
    Only problem she had with the Worgen was that they couldn't be raised as forsaken. And they were vicious bloodthirsty werewolves Stormwind and Ironforge have neither of those advantages, and Sylvanas ended up winning against the Worgen.
    Not true-The Alliance and Gilneans still hold the mainland of Gilneas, and the Forsaken are just trying to break in via the coast. Thus Battle for Gilneas.

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