Timeless Isle Vendors, Pet Cap Increase, Class Tuning, Blue Tweets, Burden of Shaohao

[Shadowfury]

That's just like, your opinion, man...

Idd it is, but seriously, why do you think that encounter was any good? I personally don't think it brought anything new and exciting other than confusing and clumsy mechanic and in my opinion it was the worst encounter in ToT. Especially in 25man where 1 person could screw you over and over again no matter how good others do, I call that a bad design.

[Jofe]

Please could you show me 13/13 HC bosses down?..No?.....Thought so.

You made me remember when a topic saying that Heroic raids were too easy appeared on the official forums. I would check the armory of the people that kept saying that they were a joke and most of the times they wouldn't even have reg cleared, let alone a single Heroic boss.

[Rolly]

end of comment page bug post, again.

[zrankfappa]

See: Skyshards. That's the other end of the spectrum. You either gradually but definitely make progress, or sporadically make progress based on tiny % chances. I know I prefer the 100,000 coins option.

I like my grinds without RNG, and most of the people that I play with agree. I would rather have to gather 1000 items with a garaunteed drop rate of 1 per mob, than get 100 with a 1 in 10 chance of dropping on a mob kill.

476 items at this point just do not make any sense ...

[Rolly]

476 items at this point just do not make any sense ...

Agreed, they MIGHT make sense if they were BOA so you could send them to an undergeared alt. But BOP?????, on an Isle you have to be geared higher than that to farm on???

[Windytusks]

Yeah right, "heroic" raids are too easy. Hilarious, especially considering this tier has two of the hardest encounters to date. Saying that, especially in this tier, just shows what a troll you are. Nobody who has 13/13 HC in ToT will say it was "too easy", only the kiddies not able to join a raid other then LFR.

Seriously, Bosses in Vanilla and BC were hard because we didn't have all the addons and gear played a way bigger role(not saying it was worse or better). Today the mechanics IMO are way more complicated and there are tons and not only 2 or 3 per encounter. Thinking about Dark Animus and LeiShen HC alone those fights are awesome and hard as hell, so much stuff to watch out for, so much responsibility for each raider and not only a hand full.

I raided in BC, and I raid now. Today's bosses do indeed have far more moving parts.

[Vongimi]

Heroics aren't harder today at all, not heroic dungeond and not heroic raids.

the heroic raid we have now really doesn't compare to the raids in TBC at all.

BT was cleared in 21 days, Lei-Shen heroic was killed in 20. Thats not even counting Ra-den, and not counting the fact that the world first race is FAR more competitive these days and thus those cutting edge guilds raid for far far longer in the same amount of time than they used too. Also not counting the fact that we have so many more tools at our disposal now and players are simply much better at the game. Saying it is nothing compared to TBC raids is just outright ignorant. Sunwell was cleared in a similar time frame.

[Soulfròst]

GC had "no comment" because he probably isn't allowed to talk about something that could pertain to the next expansion. NDA and all that.

[Azrile]

Weapons well beyond 476 are readily available for gold, while 483 Sha-Touched drop at an increased rate in LFR. What purpose do these vendor items serve?

I think your term ´readily available´ is very server dependent. On my server, I almost never see any craftable epic weapons. Right now, on a weekend, there are 0 listed... and counting on an LFR drop isn´t fun if you are trying to gear up a new alt quickly. I think their intention has always been that you can use LFR to increase your ilvl quickly and get you into the current LFR within 2 weeks of dinging 90.. but expecting to get a sha-touched weapon in that time is doubtful. I don´t think it is bad that they have some redundancy for bad rng, or for those on low pop servers or who don´t want to spend 10k gold on a weapon that will last probably a few weeks. The timeless island ones you can probably get in a few hours.

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Anyone know how long on average it could take to farm 100,000 coins? xD

It really depends on your ilevel. Right now, probably a huge amount of time.. at the end of this expansion? much much faster. Middle of next expansion? a few hours.

[Soulfròst]

@Azrile

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[Azrile]

@Azrile

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Yeah, I was going to comment on that. My server is mid-population, certainly not low pop. But it is a simple math problem. if you take 0 items on my AH, and multiply it by 5 severs I will be connected to.. you still have 0 items on the AH. I know that isn´t an accurate thing to say, but I do think it will be closer to the reality than saying the BS weapons will suddenly become ´readily available´. Also, even if you do get some, there won´t be much competition and prices will remain above 10k or 20k or whatever they go for.

The timeless island weapons will be fairly easy for an alt to get, especially with shared tagged mobs. Sure, you won´t be out there soloing elites, but you won´t have to.. and the good thing is as you are getting coins to buy your weapon, you will also be getting the armor upgrades as drops.

It is one of the pieces of advice I gave my guild. When 5.4 launches, get your alts out there fast, because during prime-time the first week, it will be very easy to become part of a ´pack´ and get to the chests and kill rare spawns. But if you do the typical thing and use your main first, in a few weeks when you get to your alts, there might not be those packs of players helping you kill elites. My two main characters will be able to solo everything there, my alts will need a lot of players around.

[MrRum]

Ive put some on the AH but the people on my server are cheap So I just make it for my alts :3

They take like, what, 6k worth of mats, tops, to make? Is it a surprise that people don't want to pay 20k for that?

[Azrile]

I like my grinds without RNG, and most of the people that I play with agree. I would rather have to gather 1000 items with a garaunteed drop rate of 1 per mob, than get 100 with a 1 in 10 chance of dropping on a mob kill.

476 items at this point just do not make any sense ...

They are for alts? what does not make sense? You now have 3 options

1. Hope to God for great RNG while doing TOES to get your sha weapon.... run it appx 10-15 weeks (probability)
2. Spend 10-20k for a weapon on the AH... if you happen to be on a server where there actually are any listed ( still none on my server)

3. Spend an hour or two on timeless island.. tagging along with a group of people who will be killing rare spawns in order to get coins to buy your weapon. At the same time, hopefully getting some of the armor drops as well.


I know this is a difficult concept... but not everything added to the game has to be progression for raiders. I have 0 doubt that within the first two weeks of 5.4, I will have 6 of these weapons on my alts. Do I want to spend 15k for a weapon for each of them? nope Do I want to run each of them through TOES for a 20% chance to get a sha weapon? no Would I enjoy spending a couple hours on my alts roaming around timeless island? Yes

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Agreed, they MIGHT make sense if they were BOA so you could send them to an undergeared alt. But BOP?????, on an Isle you have to be geared higher than that to farm on???

You don´t have to be geared nearly as much as you think. Everything is shared-tagged, and the chests respawn very fast. if you are very undergeared, you probably don´t want to play at 4am in the morning.. but if you play semi-normal times it will be VERY easy to tag along with others. As far as the chests.. yeah, if you are in a group, you might not get the chest first.. but the chest respawn timers are much faster than the guardian mob respawns..

I am not sure of the longevity of the island for mains, IMHO, it would be best to get your low geared alts in there the first week so you can tag along with other people´s mains.

[Phiferwolf]

There need to be screen shots of that Burden of Shaohao because Xuen looked amazing.

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There need to be screen shots of that Burden of Shaohao because Xuen looked amazing.

I don't see any interest in the timeless coin items other than the battlepets (still need to get qualified for that) so the heavenly gold dragon is the best thing to get (especially if you don't have a heavenly yet)

[Deleted]

They are for alts? what does not make sense? You now have 3 options

1. Hope to God for great RNG while doing TOES to get your sha weapon.... run it appx 10-15 weeks (probability)
2. Spend 10-20k for a weapon on the AH... if you happen to be on a server where there actually are any listed ( still none on my server)

3. Spend an hour or two on timeless island.. tagging along with a group of people who will be killing rare spawns in order to get coins to buy your weapon. At the same time, hopefully getting some of the armor drops as well.

4. Spend an hour doing arenas and get 496.

[Salech]

You are crazy. The only reason it would have been harder back then, is because of bugs, lesser skilled players, and less guides on the internet. Addons may play some role as well.

Not crazy at all it's just how i see it now, there was addons in TBC too you know there was bugs but not as many as people say, well in vanilla there was but in TBC it was fairly bug free (not perfect ofcourse).

heroic dungeons back then took time, investment and really good knowledge of your class, that is only true for heroic raids today and yet i still find heroic raids not too hard anymore, either i got way more skilled somehow or the raids haven't been made harder, again personal opnion here.

Oh and btw i use a few addons, none of them has to do with combat at all as i don't like addons that help me in a fight, bagnon, bartender is the 2 i use and that's about it, i don't use DBM, Vuhdo or any of those others at all, never have and never will.

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Please could you show me 13/13 HC bosses down?..No?.....Thought so.

Why would i?, just to shut you up?. Not gonna give you my fucking character name at all so you can annoy me.


I feel heroic raids are easier, therefor to me they are, see the pattern?, it's opnioniated all the way, some find the heroics harder today some don't.

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Yeah right, "heroic" raids are too easy. Hilarious, especially considering this tier has two of the hardest encounters to date. Saying that, especially in this tier, just shows what a troll you are. Nobody who has 13/13 HC in ToT will say it was "too easy", only the kiddies not able to join a raid other then LFR.

Seriously, Bosses in Vanilla and BC were hard because we didn't have all the addons and gear played a way bigger role(not saying it was worse or better). Today the mechanics IMO are way more complicated and there are tons and not only 2 or 3 per encounter. Thinking about Dark Animus and LeiShen HC alone those fights are awesome and hard as hell, so much stuff to watch out for, so much responsibility for each raider and not only a hand full.

I never ever ever said "too easy", i said not as hard.... huge fucking difference but the reading capabilities from some one calling me a "kiddie" and "noob" does not surprise me at all here. Guess having a civil converstion with you is out of the question though.

The fights today are awesome, but to me they are not as hard as the old ones like C'thun, Four Horsemen, Mu'Ru or even Yogg-Saron (alone in the darkness).

And again, i don't use combat addons even today as i don't find them necessary, you should try without addons actually, it will improve your level of skill so much and you will learn the tells on the bosses.

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BT was cleared in 21 days, Lei-Shen heroic was killed in 20. Thats not even counting Ra-den, and not counting the fact that the world first race is FAR more competitive these days and thus those cutting edge guilds raid for far far longer in the same amount of time than they used too. Also not counting the fact that we have so many more tools at our disposal now and players are simply much better at the game. Saying it is nothing compared to TBC raids is just outright ignorant. Sunwell was cleared in a similar time frame.

It's not ignorant at all as that's how I feel, man this community REALLY likes to read what they want from a post, this is why i rarely post on MMO anymore.

And again, i use the same amount of addons i did since i started playing, 0 combat addons and yet i find these raids not "too Easy" but easier than the ones in vanilla/TBC, this is not a fact, it's an opinion.... but i am out of here seems people, like i knew already, like to take things out of context and force their way of thinking onto me instead of actually accepting others opinion.

Have a great weekend.

[Chickat]

See: Skyshards. That's the other end of the spectrum. You either gradually but definitely make progress, or sporadically make progress based on tiny % chances. I know I prefer the 100,000 coins option.

Wow, that would have been a much better option for skyshards. Every mob has a high chance of dropping a s fragment of a shard. Say fragments per shard. Kill 5-10k mobs for a guaranteed chance at Alani. Number may need to be tuned.

[Siq1ne]

Blizzard needs some original ideas.

[Neetz]

Another cloud serpent with a different glow. Nice

[MrRum]

4. Spend an hour doing arenas and get 496.

Assuming you win with no PvP gear, sure. I can't imagine you get enough points by just losing over and over in a cost efficient manner to get a weapon in an hour.