It all depends what you're playing, I guess.
Alliance racials are amazing when it comes to tanking. Stoneform, passive dodge, extra hit/exp that can be used for defensive stats, etc.
I'm not exactly sure it makes such a huge difference anyway.
It all depends what you're playing, I guess.
Alliance racials are amazing when it comes to tanking. Stoneform, passive dodge, extra hit/exp that can be used for defensive stats, etc.
I'm not exactly sure it makes such a huge difference anyway.
You guys need to ask yourselves a question here:
"Am I in Paragon/Method/etc?" If the answer is "No", then you do NOT need racials to make a difference. You're not a part of bleeding edge competition and you're not gonna get world first. So the miniscule advantage you gain with a racial has no effect on your gameplay whatsoever. If your guild wipes and can't get through a heroic boss it just means you're not good enough yet. Not because you didn't have an orc/troll/whatever in your raid. Face the facts.
Originally Posted by Ninji
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It's an issue because you make it an issue. 50 guilds out of how many thousand that are raiding? My two-guild demographic was an example which still stands true. If you're not a part of the world first competition, then who the hell cares if you kill a boss some seconds/minute later than the fastest kill? And if you can't kill the boss at all, then it's because your group isn't good enough for it yet. Remember how shitty gear the people who got world first had? Compare that with yours now. If you can't kill it with several item levels more then tough luck. Don't blame the racials.
Originally Posted by Ninji
You didn't read the part about having less to equal itemlevel or you chose to ignore it on purpose? Granted, none of the first six bosses were difficult this time around so it probably didn't matter. I'm in no way trying to compare my guild to the top ones, but we still compete againist other guilds and I can't see how that wouldn't make a difference.
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I care because the raiding population is now heavily skewed in favor of Horde. It's not just the top 50 guilds, but more like the top 300, and that applies to players like me. I cannot successfully cross-realm recruit, group with my RealID friends, or get pretty ranks on WoL anymore. It's a balance...you tip the scales, it starts tipping more/faster. That trickles down and affects more people than you think.
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You realise I did say "almost"? Specifically in a normal comp with, say, 2 tanks, 6 healers and 17 DPS, you'd gain 85% of another DPS by having everyone faction change to get beastslaying, minus however many DPS paladins you run. That's ignoring the benefits of other racials, since troll racials aside from beastslaying are more than competitive, which is just another part of how silly it is. Even if you completely removed beastslaying, troll would still be a good race. So yeah, not exactly an extra raider, but close, as I said.
If you really think "WELL YOU WOULDN'T GET BOP IF EVERYONE WAS A TROLL AND IT'S ONLY 85% OF AN EXTRA PERSON!" is a good counter-argument... well, I'm not sure what to say. 5% increased damage is huge. It is a massively overpowered racial, almost worth an extra raider if everyone picks it up on a beast boss. What other racial comes anywhere near that benefit?
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Easy solution. Remove all damage increase racials and change them to utility.
As I said earlier, the troll racial in particular effects 2 25 man alliance guilds and 1 10 man alliance guild. Unless you are part of those 3 guilds then the racial doesn't even matter.
HAHAHAHHAH HORDE racials are Overpowered... That's precious... I'll bookmark this thread on the "jokes" section....
Alliance and their incessant whining to cyberbully Blizzard in making the game unbalanced to THEIR favor...
The damage has been done...Most of the good raiders are now Horde and it will likely stay that way. Even if DPS racials disappear, you will still see people switching from Alliance to Horde because the recruitment pool is better and because they are likely to have a lot more Horde RealID friends. The real solution would be to allow cross-faction PVE activity and somehow retain faction based PVP.
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Hilariously narrow-minded.
See this thread: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...4925251?page=1
It affects anyone who raids at a high level because the quality of alliance raiding is in MASSIVE decline.
horde racials are good in pve while alliance racials are good in pvp that's fair enough.
and it's not like your raid is gonna need racials to kill a boss, or else is a bad raid.
wow, still people caring for racials ? it really doesnt touch you if you dont compete for the top ranks. and if you do, you wont be that roleplay fixated so that you want to be something else. If my shaman could go bloodelf, I would gladly abandone my orc. and I only play orc because trolls and tauren only have 3 fingers which is really really disgusting mutational awkward meh stuff for me. I would love to play alliance if my guild wouldnt be horde.