But she is the heir of the Kingdom of Lordaeron, in life and death
That I meant, the Forsaken will be divided into two groups: those loyal to Sylvanas and those faithful to Calia, as the orcs have been divided now because Garrosh.
At the end Sylvanas will become an insurmountable danger and therefore the rest of the Horde along with the Alliance will destroy her. So Calia remain as the legitimate Queen of the Forsaken survivors.
So was Arthas, that didn't stop them from turning on him. It's not like Calia did all that much before Lordaeron's fall to garner strong loyalty anyway. And since its fall, Calia has done nothing for the Forsaken during the past 8+ years. If she is still alive, the Forsaken have no reason to abandon Sylvanas who freed them and protected them during that time.
So basically, you're an Alliance fanboy with no real concept of how Militarily impossible that would be right?
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Let us weigh them against each other yes?
Sylvanas - Save them from the scourge, freed them and formed them into a nation and found a way for them to not die out as a people.
Calia - she's the stupid daughter of the king, who might be a forsaken now I guess.
there is no reason to try to take it unless there is something beneath tirisfal that has a ginormous benefit to the alliance and it is a matter of "get it all costs or die trying" . Aside from that from a military perspective, throwing soldiers to the undead = more undead armies to fight back at them. it is like trying to fight fire by throwing paper at it.
Alliance encroaching on Lordaeron (sans Calia) is no different than if Alliance were to "retake" Quel'thalas. They are foreigners invading territory that doesn't belong to them.
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I don't think the forsaken would allow the living to be their leader.
Well, I don't think they'd be loyal to the crown. They have a new queen. Someone showing up as the rightful heir doesn't account for anything as they are not under the kingdom of lordaeron anymore. They are forsaken now. And sylvanas is the queen of the forsaken.
First of all, everyone saying "Lordaeron belongs to X and Y has no claim!" is pretty childish and wrong. The Forsaken and humans are two powers who don't recognize each others' laws. Both sides have what they believe to be a legitimate claim to the land and to each side, they're right while their enemies are wrong. The Forsaken are largely comprised of the dead of Lordaeron, raised into servitude and later set free to try and make an existence out of whatever husks of their former selves they had become. They take up residence in the land they once had during life, zealously defending the only home they have against human invaders who would stop at nothing to take everything from them. Lordaeron is currently the only real place in the world that the Forsaken have.
On the other side of the coin, you have the humans. Many of them were once citizens of Lordaeron in one way or another. Some are refugees who's family lines were born, lived and died on those lands. Some are old Stormwind refugees from the first war who's sister-nation Lordaeron took in and offered a home for many, many years. They struggle to reclaim the birthplace of the Alliance. Some fight to reclaim their homes from what they see as an abomination. Others fight to try and restore the homes of those who gave them refuge in the past. Both sides here obviously seem to have very legitimate reasons for trying to control Lordaeron, but all it really boils down to is a simple "I want it". There are no rightful hands for the land to be in. The Forsaken currently control Lordaeron, so it's theirs. If the Alliance were to take the city, the sides would change and they would be the "rightful rulers" while the Forsaken would be "invaders".
Now the out of game reason is because Blizzard hasn't done anything to endear Stormwind to the players. It has and continues to exist as a generic backdrop for humans and the Alliance as a whole. Even now, Stormwind and the Humans are a cheap, bland and empty wrapper hastily put around the alliance and a lot of people know it. A lot of Alliance players are desperate for the nostalgia of Warcraft 2, the amazing symbolism (the stylized L is infinitely better than stormwind's baby's-first-kitty) and a rich story. That's likely why you see so many ranting and raving on the forums about reclaiming Lordaeron.
Those refugees don't mean jack squat. There are High Elf refugees in the Alliance too. You don't see the Alliance invading Quel'thalas over it or anyone claiming that the Alliance has a right to Quel'thalas.
The threat that Sylvanas poses is a real concern. But that doesn't change the fact that the Alliance are still foreign invaders into Lordaeron and that their actions are more conquest based than taking out Sylvanas.
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I wouldn't mind seeing more storytelling (or even questing) about the Alliance trying to retake Lordaeron, but in they end they should (and likely always will) fail.
Forsaken players need those zones, to quest and level in. Plus, it seems kinda silly for zones to permanently change hands. Alliance doesn't need those zones, they already have their leveling areas.
I've been a Horde player ever since I started playing Warcraft 2 multiplayer as Orc a long, long time ago. And I believe that the Forsaken will either leave or be kicked out of the Horde as soon as the current two faction alliances are no longer needed. Possibly in a future game. How would the Forsaken resist an Alliance/Human attack without the backing of the Horde?
BTW, most of my WoW characters are Undead.
in general i have no problem with the game never ending (i.e. with neither the horde nor the alliance ever beating and conquering the other)
i would like to see territorial shifts from expansion to expansion with general parity in the number of leveling and questing zones, as well as parity in the number of faction capitals.