8 months in prison for teaching people how to beat lie detector test

[Deleted]

hmm, the more you know i guess! This may cum in handy some day...

It's honestly a phallacy

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It's honestly a phallacy

As we see here, it might get you into a sticky situation tho.

[shise]

I'm more worried that they're arresting people for teaching other people how to beat a faulty test.

When you need certain information you don't use that machine, you torture people.

Torture doesn't mean physical damage.

[Collegeguy]

I have a feeling this isn't about the lie detector itself as much as it may be more of an aiding and abetting a crime. That is.. he knew a crime was going to take place because of his training.

Then I have to wonder what the fuck is the govt using lie detectors for. They're worthless at the legal level.

[artemishunter1]

Man, this list of Tyrannical things the Government does is getting larger and larger.

the list of assholic things civilians do get larger and larger. the machines don,t create crIminals or hinder freedom why would anyone teach others to beat it?

[Halicia]

I have a feeling this isn't about the lie detector itself as much as it may be more of an aiding and abetting a crime. That is.. he knew a crime was going to take place because of his training.

Then I have to wonder what the fuck is the govt using lie detectors for. They're worthless at the legal level.

The officers that set him up explicitly told him that they intended to use the training to lie on a federal job application test, which is how they justified the criminality.

although, in all honesty, i have trouble seeing the line between this, and defense attorneys (or even prosecutors in many cases).

[Masark]

I thought lie detector tests are never seen as something trivial in a trial, or am i wrong?
If i'm not, I have wonder why it matters.

They're completely and totally inadmissible in court.

And it supposedly matters because federal agencies ignore that little detail and continue using them.

They just aren't real big on actual science. See bullet lead analysis and the non-reality-based arson forensics they've pushed in the past.

The "lie detector" test is administered by policy to most (if not all) federal employees. In the case of organizations such as the NSA it's given as often as every few months. It is, for all intent, the same as the drug test you might be forced to take for any other job.

Except that, unlike the drug tests, these tests in this case are based on complete and total BS.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

When you need certain information you don't use that machine, you torture people.

Torture doesn't mean physical damage.

Um, how is this even relevant at all? Are you trying to imply that we should torture federal applicants?

...nothing wrong with that...

There is a lot wrong with it. Ignoring the whole freedom-but-not-infringing issue, polygraphs shouldn't be used in the first place.

[Velaniz]

I don't get why it's so difficult to believe that abetting a criminal this directly can be treated as an offense.

[Deleted]

I don't get why it's so difficult to believe that abetting a criminal this directly can be treated as an offense.

Aren't polygraphs kind of.. not working?

[Rukentuts]

I feel like they're just making this shit up because they didn't like what he was doing, even though lie detector tests are pretty much bullshit.

I don't know the evidence, but they are necessary for anyone with top secret clearance. Granted, a trained operator can spot spoofing methods, but I can see why this is illegal.

[Velaniz]

Aren't polygraphs kind of.. not working?

They aren't perfect, but neither are several other kinds of evidence used in Courts. I agree that it is somewhat silly, but treating it as an offense is necessary, particularly when the sentiment behind it is as plain as day; clearly it's just meant to help potential criminals escape judgement of the law. Not considering that a felony itself leaves unanswered the critical question of when it is you draw the line where a form of evidence is deemed as "reliable" enough that teaching criminals how to work around that becomes an offense itself. That is a whole other can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. Just outlawing any way of aiding a criminal at all, no matter how seemingly trivial, is the less troublesome way to go about things.

[tiporispit]

"Mr. Dixon chose to enrich himself by teaching others how to convincingly lie, cheat and steal," Phillips said.

In that case, they should arrest all the deans and professors in business and law schools in this country.

... and every politician that's ever lived.

[ComputerNerd]

Teaching someone that is done for one reason only.
Being charged for it was absolutely the right thing.
Intentionally aiding a criminal, intentionally aiding them to commit a crime with full knowledge of the consequences of their actions.

[tiporispit]

Since the Federal government loves lie detectors so much, maybe they can hook all these asshole politicians up to one on the televised debates.

[Deleted]

They aren't perfect, but neither are several other kinds of evidence used in Courts.

I'd say they're outright flawed and should never be used.

[mcfarad]

People are missing the point. He got time for teaching people who would possibly hold a clearance how to cheat in order to gain said clearance.

I wouldn't doubt anybody who was ever in contact with the guy who currently works for the govt doesn't lose their clearances and/or jobs.

[Rukentuts]

People are missing the point. He got time for teaching people who would possibly hold a clearance how to cheat in order to gain said clearance.

I wouldn't doubt anybody who was ever in contact with the guy who currently works for the govt doesn't lose their clearances and/or jobs.

While part of getting a clearance, there's no way you could fake the rest of it and just bomb the polygraph.

[Xalzel]

Lie detector results aren't admissible in court so that's a retarded conviction.

[Deleted]

People are missing the point. He got time for teaching people who would possibly hold a clearance how to cheat in order to gain said clearance.

I wouldn't doubt anybody who was ever in contact with the guy who currently works for the govt doesn't lose their clearances and/or jobs.

If a lie detector is part of getting a clearance, then i guess they have a bigger problem in their hands...