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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by rhoark View Post
    Anyone who doesn't think Molten Core was the worst is kidding themselves. It got a pass because we didn't have expectations yet. Also, the pseudo-pvp in Trial of the Crusader was better than any individual fight in ICC.
    Good joke Don't even need LK to beat that one Deathwhisper or Putricide beat it solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joppas View Post
    Yep. Atleast when you clear it in normal and heroic in record time. Every reset its 1 day and everything done and you have to wait another week to do it all over again. Shortest raid ever and no real challenge.
    Really because Anub Arak H 25 was one of the best encounters of Wotlk. Twins was just fun. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEdaamage

    Also not sure why anyone knocks Ruby Sanctum. Perhaps they never did Heroic 25 because it was a star gem with LK for testing new trials and if their good or should be kicked.

    maybe we shouulda got Theramore scenario instead of a raid. Yeah Ruby sanctum a completely 100% unexpected bonus raid. Lets shittalk unexpected raid content. If they do a pre expac 1-3 boss raid for Legion/Old gods this expac those people should be forced to sit outside.
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  2. #402
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Really because Anub Arak H 25 was one of the best encounters of Wotlk. Twins was just fun. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEdaamage
    Like i said, i didnt mind togc. Just a short and boring raid instance in my opinion compared to other raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duridi View Post
    For me it was actually Ulduar. I hated all the random achievements, I hated the hardmode-activation shit and I was already furious at the T7 content being so incredibly easy. Basicly. Ulduar was released at a very bad time for me. There were good things about the instance, but the achievements, hardmode-activation and lack of difficulty on normal mode just destroyed everything.

    What... the?! I'm just shocked. You ACTUALLY think Ulduar was the worst raid ever?! And man I'm amazed you found the way those hard mode activations were done to be bad. I loved that. I miss it greatly. Back then there was always a giant difference between normal and hard mode. These days we sometimes get a new ability or two, but thats it for the most part. Also the random achievements imo was another awesome thing about it. I felt like my guild and I had something to do every time we went in there thanks to so many achievements.

    I guess everyone has their own opinion, but for me Ulduar was the pinnacle of raiding. And it's fitting that it was Tigole's last encounter as lead raid designer. And what was Scott Mercer/Daelos first raid? TotGC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niley View Post
    I'm surprised not too many people are saying molten core, all bosses and trash have same/similar models, boss mechanics usually has only 1 thing that You need to do. Whole instance has same boring look.
    ..Because Molten Core was the first raid ever, and was pretty amazing compared to many Everquest raids before it. You seriously cannot compare it to raids of today. Seriously I doubt anyone that entered MC for the first time in 2005 thought it was lame. It was epic, beyond epic for its time. All we had to compare it to was UBRS, lol. Of course BWL blew it away when it was released. BWL was just awesome though all in all. Although three of the bosses being generic black drakes was a downer!

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    Is it so hard to accept that people's opinions of the quality of a raid are completely personal and subjective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikashuri View Post
    ToES. Every boss in that instance on heroic was annoying and not fun to do more than once.
    Don't be silly. It's not like Lei Shi is the worst encounter ever..... (Excluding Faction Champions. That's PvP, not a raid fight.)

    OT: Dragon Soul for worst raid ever.
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  7. #407
    Icecrown Citadel. It wasn't nearly as big as it should have been.

    Should have been at least 3 times the size of what it was. The size of Ulduar, or a little bigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Is it so hard to accept that people's opinions of the quality of a raid are completely personal and subjective?
    Still there seems to be a consensus about what the worst/best raids are and both are backed up with arguments.

  9. #409
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuttle View Post
    Dragonsoul. Worst boss encounters ever.

    TOGC had some interesting concerts at the very least.
    This this and did I say this? To me if Totc raid was in a different environment with mobs, this raid IMO wouldn't be looked down upon as much. Dragon Soul...the bosses was so uninspired and was just boring. The same room basically for 2 of the bosses. I didn't mind the rehash of using Dragonblight because that was cool, the story behind the raid itself IMO was good, but wow the bosses in it outside of Airship one weren't that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meintastic View Post
    Icecrown Citadel. It wasn't nearly as big as it should have been.

    Should have been at least 3 times the size of what it was. The size of Ulduar, or a little bigger
    It was the size of Ulduar. It had 12 encounters. Or were you talking physical size, as in the size of the zone itself?
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  11. #411
    I'd have to say Dragonsoul too. I never hated TOGC though, I figured that would be #1 on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Nostalgia aside I'm not sure that Molten Core would be worse if all raids were compared together at the same time. When I compare raids I compare them to what age they were released and within their own expansion. Ultimately while ToGC had way better encounters than MC if you directly compare them, MC was their first stab at raiding and was made like 4 years prior to ToGC. I just can't turn a blind eye to such shit.

    Even if you compare them straight out I'd still take a scaled up Molten Core with the same shit in it than ToGC. MC was actually a raid, not a fucking room. As boring as those caverns were littered with all it's trash and uninspired bosses, I'd still take a replica of MC if it was released the same time as ToGC (obviously with the numbers tuned up). ToGC had some good bosses that was basically it. MC still was an actual raid, Ragnaros still felt epic when he came up and well, the area itself. Fighting in a raid sized ring of blood is FUCKING AWFUL.

    At least with Molten Core you felt like you were fighting some ancient beasts. In ToC you had random beasts of Northerend, a gnome summoning a demon (fuck you) and faction champions. The Twin Valkyr were cool and so wasn't Anub'arak.
    EXACTLY! So many people label MC as the worst by comparing it to other raids flat out which you just cannot do. You need to compare them to the times they were released and such. I also notice some people claiming it to be the worst never did play it during it's prime so they're basing their opinion on doing MC today by soloing it. Which of course would make it look terrible, lol.

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    Dragon Soul for sure. The 5 mans that came with it were pretty cool though.

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    Dragon Soul without a doubt. Absolutely horrible fights. Deathwing was by far the most disappointing end boss ever.

    ToGC is a very close second. Really sad excuse for a raid... but had a few fun mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADman319 View Post
    ulduar. to big and flashy and no substance
    lol, this is a joke, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    lol, this is a joke, right?
    No other raid in WLK had so many simple tank and spank bosses as Ulduar. Or so many bugs, tuning errors and exploits.

    It's not the worst raid (MC is), but it's definitely the most overrated one.
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  17. #417
    Everything that came after TOGC (except halion, ragnaros and heart of fear), booring, bland, rehashed fights, instances lasting 6+ months and such. Preety much the reason i cba spending 4+ hours 5 days a week raiding anymore. Thanks blizzard for lfr, xrealm raiding and free legendaries.

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    Can't say I have a raid I hate, since I've enjoyed all of them. If I had to choose, the first four bosses in ToGC and being in the same room. DS, because we were going back to certain areas, that we had already seen through questing or it was a previous raid like Eye of Eternity.

  19. #419
    AQ 40 dc'd like 20x in that raid when it was current. An many others went afk or dc'd also, it was hard to concentrate on fights because of this.

    I don't understand the DS hate, it wasn't all that bad.
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  20. #420
    I'm quite surprised as to why Sunwell isn't mentioned?

    Sure it was an awesome raid by itself, however many of the players didn't manage to complete it, and it also required class stacking (Shamans, Priests and Warlocks) which meant that many players didn't get to raid it.

    That being said, being a Shaman at that time was awesome since almost every single party required you (bloodlust) and chain heal was just gold due to the amount of raid damage. (Hence why it got nerfed to bring the player not the class and a Shaman in Wotlk).
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