Government Shutting Down

[Ausr]

After having a quick read of this http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comme...ticle14657740/ what is happening with health care in the US is nothing compared to countries.. If you read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care if you look at the history section of the countries listed there such as Canada, The United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, Italy, Sweden, Israel, Switzerland and many more have a Nation Health System..

Quote from the wiki page "Most current universal health care systems were implemented in the period following the Second World War as a process of health care reform, intended to make health care available to all, in the spirit of Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, signed by every country doing so. However, the USA did not ratify the social and economic rights sections, including Article 25's right to health."

Why a universal health system is seen as so bad by some in the US I will never know, since most other countries seemed to have gotten on well with it..

If I remember right, FDR was planning on introducing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights which would've added medical care (although we can only assume with something national or not) to our new rights. Too bad he died, I would've liked to have seen it come to fruition.

[Payday]

. . . I Did. . . /facepalm . . . . . . . .

Great. So you can tell me all about the Antideficiency Act of 1870, then.

[Beazy]

How do the servers and electricity get notified and updated with an amber alert?

So, since no one updated the Amber Alerts, the site should be taken down? Should CNN be taken down, if there isnt an update in a few days?

Last year, NASA.gov didnt get updated for a few weeks, I wonder why they didnt take it down then?!

[Felya]

So. . . lol do you think running a website is like the movie hackers, where a guy sits in a room and does "stuff" to keep a website running?

You think system administrators are like kids in the movie hackers? What force updates the site, to remove alerts that are complete or put up new ones?

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So, since no one updated the Amber Alerts, the site should be taken down? Should CNN be taken down, if there isnt an update in a few days?

Yes, because reporting a missing child for a duration of the shut down, while the child has been found is counter productive. You are comparing a for profit news channel, to an alert. What do you think should happen? A site be open that not only does not provide current information, but also invalid?

If CNN is shut down, the amount if news coming in is irrelevant.....

[Beazy]

You think system administrators are like kids in the movie hackers? What force updates the site, to remove alerts that are complete or put up new ones?

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Yes, because reporting a missing child for a duration of the shut down, while the child has been found is counter productive. You are comparing a for profit news channel, to an alert. What do you think should happen? A site be open that not only does not provide current information, but also invalid?

Ok then compare it to NASA, that wasnt shut down after weeks of inactivity. And why shut down the amber alerts website, are you saying that every child posted on that website was found, and were no longer needing to alert people to look for them? Fuck those kids right?

[Payday]

Ok then compare it to NASA, that wasnt shut down after weeks of inactivity. And why shut down the amber alerts website, are you saying that every child posted on that website was found, and were no longer needing to alert people to look for them? Fuck those kids right?

amberalert.com
missingkids.com

Why do we need this stuff anyways, right? These kids and their parents should be able to take care of themselves. Personal responsibility and whatnot. We don't need these liberal money traps.

[Felya]

Ok then compare it to NASA, that wasnt shut down after weeks of inactivity. And why shut down the amber alerts website, are you saying that every child posted on that website was found, and were no longer needing to alert people to look for them? Fuck those kids right?

If there were weeks of inactivity, why does it need people to update it? That's the differance...

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amberalert.com
missingkids.com

Why do we need this stuff anyways, right? These kids and their parents should be able to take care of themselves. Personal responsibility and whatnot. We don't need these liberal money traps.

He is saying that those should have remained open, because he thinks system administrators are like the movie hackers.

[Beazy]

amberalert.com
missingkids.com

Why do we need this stuff anyways, right? These kids and their parents should be able to take care of themselves. Personal responsibility and whatnot. We don't need these liberal money traps.

The gov runs those websites on their own servers, so the cost is minimal. Depending on website traffic, they could cost as little as 150 to 200 bucks a month. I doubt you could call these liberal money traps.

[Felya]

The gov runs those websites on their own servers, so the cost is minimal. Depending on website traffic, they could cost as little as 150 to 200 bucks a month. I doubt you could call these liberal money traps.

That's because your idea of working on the servers, means the movie hackers.

[Deleted]

The gov runs those websites on their own servers, so the cost is minimal. Depending on website traffic, they could cost as little as 150 to 200 bucks a month. I doubt you could call these liberal money traps.

And domains are still registered. Websites are running, they didn't move them to other servers, it's all the same. They still pay the same money.

[Beazy]

If there were weeks of inactivity, why does it need people to update it? That's the differance...

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He is saying that those should have remained open, because he thinks system administrators are like the movie hackers.

Actually. . . . . system administrators don't update content on website. . . . /facepalm.

There is usually a submission form that adds entries, by people who . . you know, write articles and actually work in the industry. If they are not adding submissions, it doesnt mean the website needs to be shut down.

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And domains are still registered. Websites are running, they didn't move them to other servers, it's all the same. They still pay the same money.

They simply changed the default.htm or index.htm to say "website down because politics".

[Payday]

They simply changed the default.htm or index.htm to say "website down because politics".

Out of curiosity, how many federal gov't websites have you worked on over the years?

[vaeevictiss]

The ACA is law. Passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president, and approved by the supreme court. Passing a budget resolution is basic function of government. There shouldn't be any compromise over this.

What the supreme court approved is entirely different of what it is today. There have been over 1000 changes and amendments made to it without the supreme court approval.

[Wildtree]

What concerns me a little bit is, how dire the situation really is in the USA.. I'd really like to know.
The international community appears to become increasingly nervous. Like China's nervous about it...

"We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history," Zhu told reporters in Beijing, referring to the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating by Standard & Poor's in 2011.
China held $1.277 trillion of U.S. Treasuries as of last July, according to U.S. Treasury data released month.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...98N11220131007

And another to me very interesting tidbit is this not so much dragged into the open fact:
In April, the German government decided to redo the storing of it's Gold Reserves. In that progress Germany requested from the USA, to withdraw the gold stored in US vaults. It sits there since 1953. The US vaults holding pretty much half of Germany's total gold reserves, an amount of 1536 metric tons. One would think, that's a simple matter.. But it turns out, this is not the case...
When Germany sent the request, the US reponse was pretty much, "uhmm..... ahhmmm.... not now, that takes until about 2020 until you can have it.
Developing serious doubts about whether the US actually still has Germany's gold, they requested to have a closer look. After much resistance, they've let German inspectors have a "closer" look.. They've shown them SIX gold bars. Six bars out of a 1536 metric tons.. lol
That certainly did not satisfy the German government. So they demanded a closer look. Which was done after another round of long arguments. This time they've opened a vault door. The inspectors were not allowed to enter the vault. They had to be satisfied with a look into the room filled with palettes of gold. Whether it was actually Germany's gold or not, remained unclear. But it was certainly not enough, even if it was German gold.
So what's the deal? Why don't you give them their gold?

Imagine, you go to your bank, to take some money out of your savings account, or you want to take some piece of jewelry out of a storage box there, and they tell you "sorry, but you cannot have that yet. Come back in 7 years"..

To me that's alarming and fishy...

[Beazy]

That's because your idea of working on the servers, means the movie hackers.

You have no idea what youre talking about. You should never need to "work" on a server unless an unexpected hardware failure comes up. What the hell are you on about? You do realize its 2013 right?

[Deleted]

Out of curiosity, how many federal gov't websites have you worked on over the years?

What's the difference? Are they somehow special?

[Beazy]

Out of curiosity, how many federal gov't websites have you worked on over the years?

7, working on 8 right now as I type this. I currently have to interface our financials with the treasury department.

[Felya]

Actually. . . . . system administrators don't update content on website. . . . /facepalm.

Depending on how small the company you work for is, a system administrator would wear that hat. If you are arguing the cheapness of running these sites, the assumption that they also have a publisher, does not help your cause. It also does not help your cause that it's either just electricity or the movie hackers. Because now, publishers and administrators not working are bound by the shut down. We can go further with technical writers or graphic designers, it's up to you how many people not working is preventing that site from being up.

There is usually a submission form that adds entries, by people who . . you know, write articles and actually work in the industry. If they are not adding submissions, it doesnt mean the website needs to be shut down.

If nothing is happening on a news site, it acts like it's shut down. The difference, an alert site would be providing inaccurate information.

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You have no idea what youre talking about. You should never need to "work" on a server unless an unexpected hardware failure comes up. What the hell are you on about? You do realize its 2013 right?

No, it's simply because publishing, is not considered working on the servers by you.

[Deleted]

If nothing is happening on a news site, it acts like it's shut down. The difference, an alert site would be providing inaccurate information.

Only alert sites were shut down?

[Beazy]

Depending on how small the company you work for is, a system administrator would wear that hat. If you are arguing the cheapness of running these sites, the assumption that they also have a publisher, does not help your cause. It also does not help your cause that it's either just electricity or the movie hackers. Because now, publishers and administrators not working are bound by the shut down. We can go further with technical writers or graphic designers, it's up to you how many people not working is preventing that site from being up.

Youre still wrong. A website will remain up and active without any human intervention. The fact that you think it takes a whole team of people to keep a webpage up is laughable at best and retarded at worst.