Different rules, different race.
China guild killed FIRST HEROIC GARROSH.
Deal. With. It.
Someone who is saying otherwise is stupid idiot.
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(It isn't flaming, I'm just saying the truth it's like saying: water is H2O. I think I can say that someone is stupid idiot when he says "H2O isn't water".)
It doesn't mean if they had higher iLvL or something, they killed him first, what's so hard to understand? Maybe they had advantage, maybe they had this higher ilvl but still FIRST KILL is a FIRST KILL.
Stop this "Unfair Race" thing. US have boss one day before and I haven't seen any American guild kill Garrosh HC, but already EUROPEAN guild did that, does that mean European kill doesn't count? Of course it is, and it is second heroic Garrosh kill, but FIRST 25-man kill.
And also, please... Stop flaming each other, china guild wasn't using any exploits or cheats, they did it the best as they can with fair methods.
If I go setup a basketball hoop at 20 feet outside and use a ladder to dunk on it, am I the "first" person to ever dunk on a 20 foot rim?
Anyone playing on the US/EU realms or another realm with the same ruleset is imo apart of the world race, Asia is not playing under the same rule set 10 man and 25 man does not share lockout. In 25 man all bosses have a 10% health and damage buff and drop gear that's already got 2+ upgrades (That you can upgrade twice again), I guess that would be kinda fine but then when you take all the warforged 4/4 upgraded 588 ilvl gear to hc 10 man that does not have a damage or health buff is were it's unfair.
This is also the 3rd week of the patch and 2nd of the HC race. In total EU/US guilds have been able to kill:
-14 bosses on normal
-28 bosses on HC
In Asia they have been able to kill
28 bosses on normal(of which 14 drop 8+ ilvl loot)
56 bosses on HC(of which 28 drop 8+ ilvl loot)
If you want to compare the two regions I guess your best bet would be to count each reset in Asia as 2 resets on West servers. So if no guilds would have killed it in the west for another 2 weeks I would say Asia was the fastest.
If any Asian guild want to be accepted into the real world first race they can raid on the EU/US servers under the same set of rules.
Btw anyone comparing this to the 1 extra day US gets because of resets. Wow-progress already rates a EU kill higher then a simultaneous US kill because of that. or for a US guild to get world first of wowprogress any EU guild can't kill the same boss for at least 1 day (or whatever the timezones workout to be) for US to get a world first.
Last edited by Axelond; 2013-10-01 at 08:23 PM.
No, they didn't as you can see China guild killed him first, they got their achievement first. You're the one who's looking for flame-war.
29.09.13: China guild killed Garrosh on heroic mode 10-man
01.10.13: Method killed Garrosh on heroic mode 25-man
If you don't know which date comes first: 29.09.13 or 01.10.13, then there's problem with you, not me. I'm just saying facts, but probably some people who can't stand that their nice, cool guilds weren't first. They just have to live with it. Maybe next time Blood Legion or Method will be first, but not this time, sorry.
Last edited by Eazy; 2013-10-01 at 08:26 PM.
They seem to count when they tally up subscribers as playing the same game.
No one is disputing they can gear up faster and therefore have an easier time killing the boss. You can't fault them for that tho. That is the way the game works in the East. No one seems to care the US has a days head start. May not be fair but they are playing by the rules laid out by Blizzard so it is a legitimate world first kill.
Too bad for you that 99% of the playerbase who keeps track of this knows that Method was indeed the 1st guild to get a kill in. Asia WoW is like a pick up football game while the rest of the world plays in the pro's.
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Actuall it's not. Asia wow might as well be considered a different game. Different game = different league. Different league = no world first kill.
No, you're the only one flaming. The Chinese guild is under different rules, and is not governed by Blizzard. The EU got the first kill.
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Blizzard is contracting the game out to a different company that sets the rules that. Different rules, different company, different race.
I'm not faulting them, I'm just being practical. I'm also curious about that days head start. IS the content actually live sooner, or just while its night in the EU?
You get it tuesday @ 11 AM, yes? We get it wednesday, so while we're ~8 hours ahead of you, and we get it @ 11 AM the day after, that makes it 16 hours ahead of us.
It's not released simultaneously, not even on the same date. We're also not asleep when you get it, as it's 7 PM here when the clock ticks 11 AM overseas.
Last edited by mmoc1ea225bcc9; 2013-10-01 at 08:30 PM.
That is like saying Team A is first becuase they have 4 wins and 1 loss and Teab B is second because they have only 1 win and 0 losses.... how bout you let team B play the other 4 games to see who really is in first? First to the W is not neceserely first if you don't take all the variables into account.
Calling others stupid idiots while not taking any variables into account is just.... nvm I'm speechless!
It's like looking at a CFL QB and an NFL QB and saying the NFL QB is way better at handoffs becuase they get more yards that way while TOTALY ignoring the fact that one legue has 3 downs while the other has 4 downs.
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No, China got the first world kill, EU got the second world kill.
Check dates mate.
If it's different league then why Method should get first Garrosh Heroic mode kill? They're playing World of Warcraft, aren't they?
Method= First EU kill.
Chinese Guild= First World kill and First Asia Kill.
:-)
Simple as that.
I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
Analogies in this situations are kinda useless mate! As you can see I'm not calling anyone stupid idiots(maybe just people who don't know what comes first 29.09 or 01.10, but still). First kill is a first kill. You cannot deny that.
Blizzard already have tons of problems on patch days, realm maintenance so doesn't it sound easier to only have to deal with half of your western player base on day and the other half of your western player base the next day instead of having to hotfix/patch/update both servers at the same time?
I soloed Garrosh on the PTR by bugging the instance into spawning him, him bugging out and never attacking.
According to your logic, that would make the world first mine.
(Didn't happen btw, in case the sarcasm was too vague, just getting my point across, and before you reply, the EU encounter is NOT identical to the Asian one, given the vast gear differences, as stated a gazillion times in this thread)
Because downtime during the night for you, would be downtime during the day for us and vice versa.
PS. Man, I'm way too liberal with my commas. Gotta fix that :/
Last edited by mmoc1ea225bcc9; 2013-10-01 at 08:46 PM.
It isn't different game.
Why everyone are just so hateful to me? I'm just saying that Asia got the FIRST HEROIC GARROSH KILL. And it's TRUTH. God dammit , it's in fact FIRST KILL. It doesn't mean if they had +50 or even +200 ilvl gear.
If some people from Burning Legion has less 1-4 ilvl than guys from Method does that mean their kill is first one because they had smaller item level? I don't think so.