Any other clicker that plays with the standard Blizzard UI and is successful?

[Eats Compost]

The biggest problem with clicking abilities, in my experience, is movement. Turning and moving with the keyboard just isn't quick enough. Particularly turning.

Back in Wrath, I got chewed out by my raid leader for keyboard turning, which I had to as a result of clicking my abilities. So, I took up a radical solution; I completely unbound movement from my keyboard, and did all movement with the mouse (it has two side buttons, one for autorunning and one for backpedaling). To this day, I have QWER, ASDF, ZXCV (all with shift/control modifiers as well) and 1-5 as ability binds, with virtually every single class ability I have (including niche ones) bound; I currently play a Frost DK, and the only abilities from my spellbook that aren't bound are Blood Strike (provided I even have it anymore, I haven't checked) Icy Touch, Blood Boil and Death Gate (I click that). My engineering enchants, potions, trinkets and anything else that I would use in a fight are also bound.

The only disadvantage is that the mouse-movement solution that I use doesn't provide for strafing. That's not really an issue as melee, and when playing ranged I substitute strafing with jumping and turning midair. It works about as well and satiates my melee-driven jumping addiction, but that might bother some people - though they could still bind it somewhere if they wanted.

[Al Gorefiend]

Do I click? absolutely. I use Healbot and click every nameplate in my raid to cast a heal, depending on which mouse key I click (I have a custom WoW mouse)

AWSD to move, hold both buttons down and twist the mouse to turn and heal during high movement times of the fight, and am very successful doing it.

Anybody who thinks you need to have your abilities bound to every single letter on your keyboard to be successful is ignorant.

The reason I find clicking to be superior is because moving with the mouse limits your ability to strafe left and right, and forces you to face the camera in the direction you're moving

[Radio]

Do I click? absolutely. I use Healbot and click every nameplate in my raid to cast a heal, depending on which mouse key I click (I have a custom WoW mouse)

AWSD to move, hold both buttons down and twist the mouse to turn and heal during high movement times of the fight, and am very successful doing it.

Anybody who thinks you need to have your abilities bound to every single letter on your keyboard to be successful is ignorant.

The click-on-frames-to-cast style of healing isn't the kind of clicking that people are criticising though, the equivalent in a healers case would be click targeting a player on the raid frame, then moving to the action bar and clicking a heal spell.

[Al Gorefiend]

The click-on-frames-to-cast style of healing isn't the kind of clicking that people are criticising though, the equivalent in a healers case would be click targeting a player on the raid frame, then moving to the action bar and clicking a heal spell.

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Wait what?

[ablib]

I've always wondered, what do you key-binders do about fat fingering? Does it never happen?

[Ealyssa]

Why over-complicate your life with remembering which key does what?

Their something called muscle memory. If you have a brain you should have it.

I can't say what key does what spell on what character, but when I log one, I just cast the spell I need when I need it without thinking "omg what key do I have to press". It' juste like typing something on a keyboard, you aren't watching at every letter what key you have to press next (or maybe clicker also can't type on a keyboard and prefer to click on the windows virtual keyboard ?)

I've always wondered, what do you key-binders do about fat fingering? Does it never happen?

Same problem, really. Just learn how to use a keyboard.

[Radio]

Oh.

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Wait what?

In a healers case it's obviously inferior, hence why the argument usually ends up boiling down to DPS and tanking where the loss in performance through clicking your action bar is much more marginal and subjectively negligible to some players.

[ablib]

Same problem, really. Just learn how to use a keyboard.

Well, I know how to use a keyboard. I type super fast, don't need to look at the keyboard, etc.. But, that doesn't mean I don't have a need for the backspace key.

So, really I'm still looking for an intelligent response, so I'll ask again. What do key-binders do about fat fingering?

[Radio]

I've always wondered, what do you key-binders do about fat fingering? Does it never happen?

Happens about once a month, then again I'm a fairly skilled typist and spend about 80-90% of my waking hours at a keyboard at work and at home.

EDIT: And I'd rate keybinding at 100% accuracy as being significantly easier than typing with 100% accuracy.

[Eats Compost]

The reason I find clicking to be superior is because moving with the mouse limits your ability to strafe left and right, and forces you to face the camera in the direction you're moving

I counter the movement versus camera problem by making extensive use of the autorun feature via a mouse sidebutton. If I want to move independent of the camera, I just toggle it for brief periods.

Strafing is indeed a problem, but there are ways around it. It's feasible to bind strafing to mousebuttons as well, provided that it has appropriate buttons. I'd like to do that, but my current one doesn't have the buttons for that. Worst case scenario, it can always be bound to the keyboard even if other movement takes place with the mouse. I've tried it and it feels a bit weird to me, but it can work.

[Dristereau]

Played from 2.4 to around 5.1 as a clicker. During that period played Hunter, Warrior, Mage, Paladin and Rogue at max level during a some of those expansions, mainly doing random crap and LFR in 4.3 onwards as Tank and DPS.
Around 5.1 or so I got a Razer Naga, and decided to go crazy and keybind most things, if not everything to it. So my bars are generally 1-12, alt:1-12, ctrl:1-12 and shift:1-12 and use a few other random ones. I never had much trouble whilst clicking honestly, but I know some people probably did, and I loved PVP and didn't have many issues at all.
When I decided to swap to keybinds, I did a fairly instant swap, and tried to learn my classes again using the binds (At that point had Warr, Mage, Pala and Rogue at 90) which wasn't too hard on the Rogue but took some time on the Warrior, as it had much more abilities and buttons to press. However, it has now happened, and I don't really have issues with keybinds, beyond have nine 90s and sometimes forgetting one (e.g. casting Spell Reflect instead of Shield Wall on Immerseus like an idiot). Still, fairly fine now I think.

In terms of UI, I have a fairly deafult UI, mainly just Recount, DBM and Omen in 5.3 when I got invited to a Raiding Guild and for Oondasta. However for certain classes, such as Warrior, Death Knights, Shaman and Priest, I don't have enough space on my bars for all my keybinds, and as such they use Bartender4 with four stacked bars (Normal, Ctrl, Shift, Alt). All my other Characters just need two and a half bars for everything that I need to use which is bound (Usually Default, Ctrl, Shift 1-4 and Alt-5)

[Eats Compost]

I've always wondered, what do you key-binders do about fat fingering? Does it never happen?

Not really. I have Death Grip bound dangerously close to all of my DPS rotation and cooldown abilities, but it's very rare for me to hit it accidentally.

[Dch48]

I can only handle 6 or 7 keybinds. Everything else I click. I also have never used anything but the standard UI.

[Eats Compost]

Well, I know how to use a keyboard. I type super fast, don't need to look at the keyboard, etc.. But, that doesn't mean I don't have a need for the backspace key.

So, really I'm still looking for an intelligent response, so I'll ask again. What do key-binders do about fat fingering?

It just doesn't really happen. Normally you're not darting all over the keyboard (your binds, more often than not, will likely be on one end of the keyboard) and you don't go through the same kind of motions as typing, thanks to the GCD. The 0.5-1 second(s) it takes to move on to your next ability makes fat fingering pretty hard to do once you'e used to your binds, and abilities off the GCD are either so restricted or familiar that it's not easy to fat finger them or that fat fingering them will just result in you hitting something currently on the GCD and doing nothing.

[Ealyssa]

So, really I'm still looking for an intelligent response, so I'll ask again. What do key-binders do about fat fingering?

How can you type super fast if you are constantly fat fingering ??? And I'm the guy with unintelligent response ?

If you don't fail at typing a word I can't see how you can fail at casting spells with even the GCD as fatfinger protection (majority of spells can't be casted at two at the sime time...)

But again I know typing. When I want to write "water" I just type it, not "eater", "wster", "watef" or whatever you can fatfinger before having it right...

[Mormolyce]

I play with very few addons, mostly standard UI (but with custom IceHUD for buff/debuff tracking for main rotations). I can't understand why you'd click as melee if you keybind for casters. Surely keybinding is easier?

But hey if it works for you.

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Well, I know how to use a keyboard. I type super fast, don't need to look at the keyboard, etc.. But, that doesn't mean I don't have a need for the backspace key.

So, really I'm still looking for an intelligent response, so I'll ask again. What do key-binders do about fat fingering?

I use a fairly standard layout, 1-0, F1-F12 for main abilities plus a few letter keys. I can easily distinguish 1-4, sometimes fat-finger a 4 when I meant 5 or vice versa, and 6+ means either moving my hand or probably hitting the wrong button. Which is fine because I usually have all the keys I'll need to press rapidly assigned to 1-4, F1-F4, E and W.

To be honest a standard keyboard is less than perfect for key layout, could be a lot more efficient. I've often meant to get a Razer Nostromo, I like the look of that layout. Never gotten around to it though.

[Bryntrollian]

Why over-complicate your life with remembering which key does what?

I've always clicked and I've been relatively successful (when I played).

I see what you are getting at, but for me it is just muscle memory.

I could play my characters without even watching half of the time.

[Klutzington]

The amount of people who seriously use like 10 keybinds or less in this thread astounds me. You don't even have to be "HARDCORE ELITIST BR0SEPH LEL" to keybind every spell you have. >_>

[Leandros]

*raises hand*

Been a clicker since the start, and once I learned how to play my class it was never a problem. Sure, i may do 3 or 5% less dps than the people who don't click, but that's my playstyle and that's how I like to play.

[Myrandron]

I used to click all the time raiding back on my tank, even in heroic raids, and I was better than majority of the tanks we ever had in the guild. If you know what your doing you can be fairly successful it's not that hard but you might have more success with keybinds. I prefer to click though just because I would never remember all the keybinds.