LFR is a god send!

[Soeroah]

Good lord there are some elitists in this thread. i'm starting to feel dirty for having moved to Flex when the patch came out.

Have any of you Flex people even tried an LFR? i've wiped many more times in the LFR versions of SoO than in Flex. It's not absolutely skill-less, it's not 'stand still and do your rotation, it's not a training dummy. Groups can often get the fail buff up to four or five before they finally beat the boss. It's a balance of the skill to do the fight and the gear to meet the requirements, just like any other difficulty. Only difference is LFR has nerfed numbers, and the numbers and margin for error get a lot tighter as you increase the difficulty.

Plus I often miss out on Flex runs due to my schedule. Kinda wish there was an in-game flex finder like the LFR tool to be honest. LFR, if nothing else, helps people get to see the content at times appropriate for them. No need to insult a good system or the people playing with it.

[Kalcheus]

It wasn't that long ago that this is exactly how it worked. I'm guessing the color of gear became such an issue for everyone that just about everything is purple now.

For instance, if SoO LFR rewarded the EXACT same gear, same stats, etc, etc as it does now.... But was blue with an LFR tag on it... People would lose their fucking minds.

Whatever works, I guess.

Which was completely not the point, I'm not talking color, I'm talking ilvl and stats.

[Sansnom]

I'm sorry but LFR is only working for one group of people. The botters, the moochers, the afkers, the noobs. The bads.

If you consider yourself not bad, go do flex.

Just can't stop with the insults, huh? Just can't leave LFR to others? What has LFR ever done to ruin your playtime so badly that you people just can't stop moaning about it? Has it stopped normal or heroic raiding? Has it nerfed normal or heroic raiding?

[Bladesyphon]

God I love posts like these, because I can so easily tear into them that's almost to easy. Let's begin, shall we?

No, it hasn't. You have read so many good things that blizzard has said about it that you actually believe that's what people think.

LFR doesn't introduce you to raiding. It introduces you to a training dummy which casts almost harmless spells. And in a bonus to that, with the worst possible community in existence (even worse if your realm is tied with spanish/brazilian realms), people get a very bad idea of what raiding is, hence the very low numbers in boss kills and loss of interest in raiding in general.

Ah, the training dummy argument. Yes, there are a few bosses that could qualify as such...Almost none of which can be found in SoO. Good luck just auto attacking Immerseus and hoping to win when all those lovely little slimes go omnom back into him. Protectors? Nope. Norushen? OH DEAR GOD NO. Sha of Pride... Well, okay, I'll concede, Pride is more or less a face roll boss.

Wing 2? Nooope on any of the bosses. Wing 3? Kinda sorta Malkorok, but not really. And I'm pretty damn confident Wing 4 isn't going to be faceroll, target dummy, auto AFK and win and get loot wing. And low numbers? *What* Low numbers? Did you look at the chart on MMO champ? The raiding in Mists has been fantastic, and the number drops conicide with the confirmed drop in subscribers as well, not with LFR.

As for the casual part, I myself was very casual once (couldn't even maintain my rotation properly) and I literally got kicked from at least 4 guilds because of what a gigantic noob I used to be. However, I learned slowly from my mistakes and now there are hardly any people from the guilds I usually join who can outdps me / fail as less as me. If I could somehow manage to get a group of people like me, I could easily become realm top 5 by only raiding max 3-4 hours every night, so no, hardcore doesn't mean spending 10 hours every day. Hardcore means having the will to wipe and push yourself to the limit. Casual means exactly the opposite - quitting after the first wipe or "maaan put it on normal pls HC is lame"

See, here's the thing. Not all of us have the ability to raid 3-4 hours every night. Some people may have that *Once* a week at night, and that night may change every single week due to jobs, family obligations, or something similar. That makes raiding in any form of organized raiding difficult, to say nothing about raiding Heroic Content. And, you're right, Heroic Raiders do only raid 3-4 hours a week... On their mains. Most often what people don't speak of during this kind of argument is they're also spending a lot of time on their alts farming materials for crafting, raiding Flex or LFR for upgrades, or doing anything they can to progress their character to get that edge they need to drop the next Heroic boss in line. I know. I did this back in Classic and to a lesser extent Wrath. I may have only raided one night a week, but I was spending a hell of a lot more time preparing for that raid. We aren't farming mats now, but we're still farming something in order to progress.

And so what if some people don't like to wipe? Not everyone has fun failing multiple times on a single boss before getting frustrated and quitting. That's why Blizzard added LFR, because I know this is going to be shocking, but not everyone plays the game the same way you do. I know, crazy right?

I hate it when people use arguments like "my 2000 children can't feed themselves, I also have to work 25/8 and I don't have time for WoW, therefor nerf it for everyone else and fuck the people who like harder things". You don't realize that you are destroying the game not only for us, but for you too, because sadly, blizzard listens to the casuals.

Oh, so by asking for LFR and Flex, people are also asking to nerf Normal and Heroic? Reeaaa-aa-aa-ally? Well, that's news to me, considering that outside of a few balnace changes in ToT, no boss was nerfed until the next tier came out. And thus far in Siege of Ogrimmar, we've had buffs to Heroic Bosses, but no major nerfs... Well shoot, and here you just said that Blizzard is ruining the game by taking away your hard content! That's..well that's rather funny, considering that the top raiding guilds in the *world* have said that Lei Shen on Heroic was one of the hardest bosses Blizzard has added to the game, sitting just behind Heroic Ragnaros...Yet according to you, Blizzard is... catering to the casuals and ruining the hard content? Well, that's funny, because last I checked, adding Story Mode and Easy Mode to games generally doesn't affect Normal and Hard...and well, I'll be damned if I'm right in that it's not affecting SoO either!

tl;dr - it's not the lack of time because of your job that makes you a "casual"; it's the lack of skills

No, I believe your tl;dr is "I don't like the idea of other people enjoying the same content I do, and the shouldn't be allowed to do Raids without having to put in the same time and effort as I do". Ask anyone, Mists of Pandaria's raiding has been some of the most difficult, some of the most innovative, and simply the most enjoyable raiding added to WoW in a very long time. And it's also the expansion that is, without a doubt, the most accessible to everyone ever.

I'm sorry, but all your arguments are flawed when the proof is, as they say, in the pudding, and the pudding is quite tasty right now for all walks of life.

[Rupture91]

The only problem with what you just said is that you aren't actually raiding. LFR is not actual raiding if you think about it. But you'll probably not understand since from what you said earlier, you never really did actual raiding. Maybe you would enjoy being part of a team and killing hard encounters instead of going into LFR and ignoring anything and everything. I can't see how LFR is fun, guess its just how people see things from their eyes.

But I'm glad you're enjoying something that is extremely hard for me and others to enjoy.

[The Glitch]

I haven't experienced an awful experience in LFR personally - occasionally people unaware of tactics but that's understandable

Indeed this is my experiences too. Majority of the time the groups are nice and everyone helps explain tactics. I think the only times I've had a *bad* experience, if you can even call it that, is when I join for LFR's at very weird hours of the day when there aren't enough people signing up, so groups end up braking apart because we can't fill the last few slots due to folks leaving midway. Thats about it, and it happens rarely.

[Deleted]

Are you actually saying casual players don't have any skill? You're obviously getting casual and bad mixed up.

What I'm trying to say is that people who can pull insane amounts of dps for their gear and never step in the fire, but yet raid 1-2 hours max because of their jobs, are not casuals. For some reason, people lost the meaning of the word.
Casuals are the people who don't want to invest a lot of thought into the game and play it "easy; casually".

From the above, the first kind of people have always existed in WoW and are pretty cool guys (since they are usually mature, unlike rest).
The second kind, the real casuals, are the cancer killing WoW.

[Weischbier]

The reason I think LFR is good overall for WoW is very simple: People can get their troll attitudes off for the week. I see less trolling/flaming in trade chat nowadays with LFR, than back in WotLK or earlier.

Sure there are Servers where it was always like this. But servers with a high amount of trolls, accommodate to it and relax more when they had their spotlight troll/flame in LFR.


I see it like this: A LFR a day, keeps your inner troll at bay!

[DeadmanWalking]

I'm sorry but LFR is only working for one group of people. The botters, the moochers, the afkers, the noobs. The bads.

If you consider yourself not bad, go do flex.

Its working just fine for me and I am none of the above. You also forgot to mention the one group that benefits the most from LFR, the group that would not have raid content in such heaping portions had LFR not existed, the raider.

[Adonias]

I'm glad to see others enjoy LFR, I like the "idea" of LFR but I've ran into a lot of bad/horrible players and their attitudes which have pretty much kept me to only running LFR if I need something for Xmog, other then that I try to Flex when I can.

[Deleted]

God I love posts like these, because I can so easily tear into them that's almost to easy. Let's begin, shall we?

All your "arguments" are either lame arguments, or playing with words, and I will not bite to reply you. You know the answers to all of your questions pretty well, so there is no need to too.

[Shadowfreak]

I am in the same boat as OP. Raided a little in vanilla. Did progression raiding during BC and Wrath. Cata came during first year of marriage, so me and the wife both took time away from raiding other than DS. With LFR, I can see the new stuff without the stress of time. Sure, there is a lot of whining and afks.. but every now and then you get in a group that has fun. Just last week, I was in a wing 3 group where everyone worked together, got along, wiped a few times (even to trash), but all and all cleared with no one dropping or rage quitting. It's rare, but it happens.

[StrayFox]

Good, that is exactly the reason blizzard likes it too. It is there to combat "the sunwell problem" of people not being able to experience the content.

lol... I still haven't experienced SunWell, mostly because you had to do dailies to even get into the place.

On topic : I just think people hate the community of LFR and how simplistic and boring it is, I've seen people just auto attack bosses and go AFK in that hell. If you really just feel like doing that you might as well stop playing WoW and go waste your time doing something else.

[Deleted]

The only problem with what you just said is that you aren't actually raiding. LFR is not actual raiding if you think about it. But you'll probably not understand since from what you said earlier, you never really did actual raiding. Maybe you would enjoy being part of a team and killing hard encounters instead of going into LFR and ignoring anything and everything. I can't see how LFR is fun, guess its just how people see things from their eyes.

But I'm glad you're enjoying something that is extremely hard for me and others to enjoy.

I have raided before with friends. Yes it was fun but near impossible to get online together regular to form a raid... Also what am I ignoring? LFR bosses still require tactics

[Ihnasir]

Indeed, I'm glad we have LFr, I'm able to see endgame content (even if it's dumbed down) on my own schedule (usually 2-6 am). I used to raid in Wrath and came back some to it during DS, but I hate having to conform to other schedules, I'm a much more solo player but I love the hell out of this game.

[DeadmanWalking]

The only problem with what you just said is that you aren't actually raiding. LFR is not actual raiding if you think about it. But you'll probably not understand since from what you said earlier, you never really did actual raiding. Maybe you would enjoy being part of a team and killing hard encounters instead of going into LFR and ignoring anything and everything. I can't see how LFR is fun, guess its just how people see things from their eyes.

But I'm glad you're enjoying something that is extremely hard for me and others to enjoy.

Its not raiding when YOU think about it, to the rest of us it is just fine. When I go into LFR I take my guildies and friends with me and we socialise on vent so its fun for us. I use it to help fill in gear slots that I don't get in flex or normal quicker, fill up valor and keep my mucle memory tuned. I don't show up on raid night expecting to be carried to the purples. It would be nice if you could try and see things from other peoples eyes.

[Deleted]

What I'm trying to say is that people who can pull insane amounts of dps for their gear and never step in the fire, but yet raid 1-2 hours max because of their jobs, are not casuals. For some reason, people lost the meaning of the word.
Casuals are the people who don't want to invest a lot of thought into the game and play it "easy; casually".

From the above, the first kind of people have always existed in WoW and are pretty cool guys (since they are usually mature, unlike rest).
The second kind, the real casuals, are the cancer killing WoW.

May I have what you're smoking please

[Shadowfreak]

I haven't experienced an awful experience in LFR personally - occasionally people unaware of tactics but that's understandable

What's funny is that, at least for me, the only time stuff gets real ugly in LFR is when there is a "hardcore" tank who decides the other tank is not worth his time because they had a question about mechanics.

[Deleted]

Agree with OP. LFR is a great tool for sure, and even if some runs have been bad (like some people intentionly die and mock people that try to down the boss etc), most runs are good and decent. Since I work I rarely have the time or energy to raid regular times, so LFR is great for me to see the raids and get some gear as well, if lucky.

[Deleted]

May I have what you're smoking please

Did I say something untrue?