[TV] Supernatural *Spoilers*

[Jotaux]

There's still one more episode.

[Antbregante]

guess that's it

You do know there is one episode left? Damn the episode did feel like a series finale though. I wonder what the last episode will be about.

[rarhyx]

watching the promo for next(last) episode it seems more like a "behind the scene" episode
episode 19 really felt like an ending
if 20 isn't a behind the scene episode it's most likely just an epilogue

[Spiritguide]

Think there s a behind the scenes before the 2 hour special. I m not ready for this show to end

[Kreuger]

last week:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2020/10/su...on-series.html

“Supernatural – The Long Road Home” – 8PM ET/PT November 19

A CELEBRATORY EPISODE – Get ready for the finale with cast interviews from Jared Padalecki, Jensen Ackles, Misha Collins, and Alexander Calvert, with creator Eric Kripke, executive producers Robert Singer and Andrew Dabb, and special guest stars Jim Beaver, Samantha Smith, Ruth Connell, Kim Rhodes and Mark Sheppard. Original airdate 11/19/2020.

Series Finale: “Carry On” – 9PM ET/PT November 19

THE END – After 15 seasons, the longest running sci fi series in the US is coming to an end. Baby, it’s the final ride for saving people and hunting things. The episode was directed by Robert Singer and written by Andrew Dabb (#1520). Original airdate 11/19/2020

[Xilurm]

So, why couldn't Jack just snap his fingers, cure every disease, make everyone immortal, intervene everytime theres a war, bring back everyone from the dead etc etc. What's the difference between him and Chuck exactly?

[rarhyx]

don't know what to say
not the ending I was expecting and not the best but still a good one


... aaaaaaand now I feel the emptiness. great.

[Fenzha]

As much as i thought the ending of the previous episode was rather bland i kinda wish it had ended there.
I just never think they hit the mark when they try to do emotional stuff. Music and stuff can be on point but the acting just never sells it for me.

[Sezerek]

Given that they had to rewrite stuff for the finale because of Covid I think I can describe it for me to be a "satisfying" ending, it is not awesome, but also far from bad.
But the "old man Sam"-Wig and the "Carry on"- Cover certainly did miss the mark for me.

And fuck the toxic fanbase and stans that started to harass the Actors because they didnt get their Destiel-ending .

[Kuja]

Not sure I like that ending. I expected Jack to appear and help Dean, but I guess he doesn't care or has more important things to do.

So, why couldn't Jack just snap his fingers, cure every disease, make everyone immortal, intervene everytime theres a war, bring back everyone from the dead etc etc. What's the difference between him and Chuck exactly?

Making everyone immortal sounds like a bad idea. World is already overpopulated, so wonder what would happen if nobody died ever, not to mention bringing back everyone from dead.

[MrLachyG]

that was a fitting series finale. end of an era

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Not sure I like that ending. I expected Jack to appear and help Dean, but I guess he doesn't care or has more important things to do.

I kinda expected it to but I liked what they came up with. I think the reason Jack didn't come and intervene was because that was exactly what God would've done. The boys wanted to be free of all that destiny crap, they wanted to be normal. If they hadn't been God's favourites then they would've died off years beforehand (and hell they have died repeatedly but were always resurrected) so Dean getting killed by a random giant vampire makes sense - other hunters get killed by monsters, so why wouldn't it happen to Dean now that he isn't protected. Plus it gave us a chance to see what Jack did do, fixing heaven, getting Castiel out of the empty etc

[Xilurm]

Making everyone immortal sounds like a bad idea. World is already overpopulated, so wonder what would happen if nobody died ever, not to mention bringing back everyone from dead.

With a snap of his fingers he could make every single planet habitable, give them a huge boost in technology so they can get to those planets.

Everything is possible when you can control everything in the universe.

But anyway, I kinda changed my mind after the finale. The goal is now the afterlife/heaven. That's what matters.

[Jotaux]

the "old man Sam"-Wig and the "Carry on"- Cover certainly did miss the mark for me.

And fuck the toxic fanbase and stans that started to harass the Actors because they didnt get their Destiel-ending .

I'm not a fan of Destiel but they should have at least have Cass show up to see Dean in Heaven.

Overall the episode was what it was and the series has ended. There were a few rough seasons but as a whole I enjoyed it, especially the Kripke seasons.

[Endus]

With a snap of his fingers he could make every single planet habitable, give them a huge boost in technology so they can get to those planets.

Everything is possible when you can control everything in the universe.

But anyway, I kinda changed my mind after the finale. The goal is now the afterlife/heaven. That's what matters.

That's actually an important theological point. In the Christian theology in most sects, suffering in this life really does not significantly matter; it's a test of your merit. What God is primarily concerned with is the state of your soul. He can't just "make everyone Good" without abridging free will, so "just remove evil and suffering" isn't really a possibility; it's that testing of your character that is the point of life. Pass the test(s), go to heaven for eternity. Basically. The point was never about making life on Earth the best it could be; the suffering and challenges we face are literally the point of life. We can make life on Earth better, for us, but it's not what God's focused on.

Point to be clear; Chuck is not accurate to the Christian God, in this sense. Jack's closer.

I'm not a fan of Destiel but they should have at least have Cass show up to see Dean in Heaven.

I think the point of the final episode is that the series started with Dean and Sam, and that's how it should end. Castiel could still show up to hang out, in theory, but it wasn't important to show that in the episode, any more than showing the Winchester parents. It's entirely about Sam and Dean; this is why we don't even see Sam's wife clearly, or get her name, and all we get about Sam's son is that he named him Dean, for his brother. If he hadn't been named for Dean, they wouldn't have mentioned his name at all.

[Sezerek]

I'm not a fan of Destiel but they should have at least have Cass show up to see Dean in Heaven.

Yeah one could tell that Covid fucked up the Heaven part and they actually planned a lot of cameos for it. So the best alternative was to give Bobby the exposition part for everything that changed up there.

[Eapoe]

So, why couldn't Jack just snap his fingers, cure every disease, make everyone immortal, intervene everytime theres a war, bring back everyone from the dead etc etc. What's the difference between him and Chuck exactly?

He stated why.

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Overall I thought it was a great sendoff. Obviously some things had to be changed due to COVID, but it was fitting for an ending.
I liked the symbolism of both brothers being able to tell each other it’s okay for them to go. Sam originally to Dean, followed by Sam’s son Dean telling Sam.
I also liked the subtle things, such as Sam wearing a wedding ring to show he found a full life he wanted. There’s also Sam’s son having the protective tattoo, showing that while he may not be a Hunter he still knew about the world and what Sam did.
Some people complained about the makeup and how Sam moved, but considering his hair was just starting to turn gray I figured it was more an injury or illness causing him to move like that, not bad old age acting. The main gripe I had about the age issue is they didn’t put makeup on Sam’s hands, so we had old face young hands on the death bed.

[MrLachyG]

He stated why.

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Overall I thought it was a great sendoff. Obviously some things had to be changed due to COVID, but it was fitting for an ending.
I liked the symbolism of both brothers being able to tell each other it’s okay for them to go. Sam originally to Dean, followed by Sam’s son Dean telling Sam.
I also liked the subtle things, such as Sam wearing a wedding ring to show he found a full life he wanted. There’s also Sam’s son having the protective tattoo, showing that while he may not be a Hunter he still knew about the world and what Sam did.
Some people complained about the makeup and how Sam moved, but considering his hair was just starting to turn gray I figured it was more an injury or illness causing him to move like that, not bad old age acting. The main gripe I had about the age issue is they didn’t put makeup on Sam’s hands, so we had old face young hands on the death bed.

oh as if Sam didn't moisturise his hands every single day!

[Eapoe]

oh as if Sam didn't moisturise his hands every single day!

Lol, good point :P

[Xilurm]

He stated why.

Yeah, he did. He wanted to be hands off unlike Chuck, but Chuck wasn't exactly hands on either.

But everytime I think of that I can't help but remember this scene.



These things that Dean mentions aren't gonna stop happening.

And the story around that is Chuck was being an ass for not helping.

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That's actually an important theological point. In the Christian theology in most sects, suffering in this life really does not significantly matter; it's a test of your merit. What God is primarily concerned with is the state of your soul. He can't just "make everyone Good" without abridging free will, so "just remove evil and suffering" isn't really a possibility; it's that testing of your character that is the point of life. Pass the test(s), go to heaven for eternity. Basically. The point was never about making life on Earth the best it could be; the suffering and challenges we face are literally the point of life. We can make life on Earth better, for us, but it's not what God's focused on.

Point to be clear; Chuck is not accurate to the Christian God, in this sense. Jack's closer.

Oh yes I know. All 3 Abrahamic religions are like that. Be good, worship and you enter heaven for eternity. (Although the worship part wouldn't really fly with western audiences) But then again neither Chuck or Jack said they need anything like that. Idk, the mythology in this show feels largely inconsistent. Obviously Chuck is nothing like God who's beyond time and space, but it has been like that for the last few seasons.

[Endus]

Yeah, he did. He wanted to be hands off unlike Chuck, but Chuck wasn't exactly hands on either.

Canonically in the show, Chuck was so completely hands-on that he literally wrote every single thing we, the audience, saw in every single scene. That stuff didn't "just happen", that's all Chuck writing another chapter in his favorite story, and embellishing every detail in exactly the way he wanted things to play out. This was a big plot point this last season, and introduced as a concept much earlier. It's also why the penultimate episode where they finally beat Chuck, the solution with Jack kind of comes out of nowhere. It's almost literally the opposite of a "deus ex machina"; in the show, EVERYTHING is orchestrated by God, so the only way to beat God himself is to find a way that [I]isn't[/I] actually written in script, but makes sense in retrospect. Any foreshadowing, any hints and suggestions as to what the Winchesters were plotting, and that would have meant [I]Chuck was onto t[/I], and it wouldn't have worked. I actually think that's a point that's being overlooked a bit because I think it's actually really smartly written (or not, I guess), and they didn't call attention to it really at all.