# Thread: And I'm finally over trying to get my Legendary Cloak.

1. Originally Posted by Deja Thoris
The maths was done, even if its 25% then chances of losing 60 in a row are about 1 in a billion. Keep trying to prove yourself right and refute reality.
But if the chance of winning is 5% then the probability of 60 losses is 4.6%.

2. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Yes, the math was done, using the number you pulled out of your arse. It's interesting that you think we should give this calculation any weight.
Actually 50% would be the natural baseline assumption, so if you don't believe it the burden of proof is on you.

What's the highest expectation of OP's probability to win a given BG you're willing to accept then? I'll use that to calculate the odds of losing 60 in a row and doubtless still come up with a number that makes his story unbelievable. Bonus points if you strain yourself and actually come up with a reason for your number. Or do you even have one?

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Originally Posted by MistsofBoredom
Same here, OP. They made the chain more convenient and easier to get it but it is all so BORING for me! Every step of the way is mindnumbingly boring.

I hated Timeless Isle. I hated LFR. Flex is meh.

There's just so many unlikeable qualities about this expansion. I really hope they shake things up for the next one. The only thing I liked was Challenge Modes and I hear Heroic raiding is pretty good.

3. Thanks, I think I spend my time quite wisely. Nothing wrong being on a forum talking about a game especially when an upcoming expansion that could be bringing huge changes is coming.

Perhaps you should evaluate your thinking process. It seems a bit off.

4. A legendary item is supposed to be an exceptional achievement, I think you should be grateful enough to be able to get it on your own. It's also supposed to be a reward for a prolonged effort, so why complaining if it takes a lot?

5. PvP sucks; it is completely not my thing. PvP is tolerable in a completely preformed group in voice chat - preferably all guilded with me. As a healer, this is the only way to make PvP remotely enjoyable because it is the only way that I can get anyone to employ a "peel".

Armory - Nzete of Korgath-US
Temple of K - 33 of 53
SSMines - 7 of 18

The SSMines victories are all either rated or in a 5 man premade for guild legendary cloak progress.

As I see it, the PvP requirement is to make people cry and quit doing any organized PvP. We used to do guild rated in the first season. Since we have been running into forced bgs for the legendary line, we quit.

6. Its pretty funny to watch the failtrain. They grind with organised 10man groups weekly the same raid instance for those shitty marks but can't think of making 5man groups to win a battleground. 2 healers and it wouldnt even matter if they played like noobs. Its not that hard to win a bg with 5 people and voice chat. And lets not forget the time they have to waste on the reputation grind yet bgs are the thing so many bitch about.

7. Originally Posted by Doktor Faustus
One person cannot solo a BG, regardless of gear and skill.
Oh, yes, you can. Any player above 2k rating can carry a entire random battlground alone, both as a healer or as a dps.

8. Crap luck OP, it only took me 10 or so losses for silvershard and only about 5 for the other.
I haven't PvP'd since BC and getting forced into a BG really sucked not because i'm no good at PvP but just because i stopped enjoying that aspect of the game a long time ago.
I remember losing every single EotS and WSG back for a good 2 months back in burning crusade when trying to farm pvp weapons, i feel your pain.

9. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Oh look -- another "fact" pulled out of your posterior. Care to provide evidence to back this up? I mean, "the OP must be lying, because the facts I'm making up say so" isn't actually a valid argument.
Theres plenty of stats around on BG's and very few have massively imbalanced win %'s for either faction. Especially the ones with balanced maps (which SSM isn't admittedly) Stop posting stubborn stupid shit relentlessly in attempt to drag people down to your level and beat them with experience. You're wrong. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Dilbon
But if the chance of winning is 5% then the probability of 60 losses is 4.6%.
If that's the case (which it isn't) then hes just unlucky. If he doesn't have the fortitude to push through then its no skin off my nose.

10. Sorry to hear that buddy, I'm about to finish Sigils on my 5th toon (2 started last week), and those BGs were both one shots for me. Nobody fucks with a Bear.

11. Originally Posted by Deja Thoris
Theres plenty of stats around on BG's and very few have massively imbalanced win %'s for either faction. Especially the ones with balanced maps (which SSM isn't admittedly) Stop posting stubborn stupid shit relentlessly in attempt to drag people down to your level and beat them with experience. You're wrong. Get over it.
Care to link to these supposed "stats"? I've asked you several times. I think you're lying. After all, how could these stats possibly be collected? Blizzard doesn't make them known.

But look at what you wrote: "very few have massively imbalanced win %s". For the sake of this discussion, all it would require would be that they be massively imbalanced for just ONE BG -- SSM. So even your wibbling there doesn't actually support your case.

12. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Care to link to these supposed "stats"? I've asked you several times. I think you're lying. After all, how could these stats possibly be collected? Blizzard doesn't make them known.

But look at what you wrote: "very few have massively imbalanced win %s". For the sake of this discussion, all it would require would be that they be massively imbalanced for just ONE BG -- SSM. So even your wibbling there doesn't actually support your case.
Just for the sake of discussion, he also tried temple, which is a perfectly balanced map. That assertion falls short and temple of one that's included in many of his 60 losses.

http://i.imgur.com/nGjkCwx.png
http://i.imgur.com/RD24Ay6.png

US and EU stats for a given week. I'd imagine 41k BG's is enough to give a statistical sample. I'm sure if you pull any other stats you'll find similar stuff.

The simple fact that you can even contemplate that ratios could be as uneven as 90/10 just shows how dim-witted some people can be. It's like the last thread where we disagreed on a GC tweet, you are stubborn to the point where it passes common sense even though its plain you are wrong. Here you are wrong, again.

13. Originally Posted by Deja Thoris
Just for the sake of discussion, he also tried temple, which is a perfectly balanced map. That assertion falls short and temple of one that's included in many of his 60 losses.

http://i.imgur.com/nGjkCwx.png
http://i.imgur.com/RD24Ay6.png

Those are oqueue numbers. They are not representative of actual random BG groups.

Try again.

14. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Those are oqueue numbers. They are not representative of actual random BG groups.

Try again.
They are since you cant form complete premades with them, therefore according to definition they are random.

Anyway, the burden of proof is on you to prove anything other than 50/50 since that's the logical assumption. If you don't understand what logical means (and from your posts I'm guessing the word isn't in your vocabulary) then I suggest you look it up.

15. Originally Posted by Deja Thoris
They are since you cant form complete premades with them, therefore according to definition they are random.
Obviously not. An oqueue group always has a premade subgroup. Random BGs will usually not. The stats for the former are not the same as the stats for the latter.

Admit defeat in this argument, you are shooting intellectual blanks.

16. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Obviously not. An oqueue group always has a premade subgroup. Random BGs will usually not. The stats for the former are not the same as the stats for the latter.

Admit defeat in this argument, you are shooting intellectual blanks.
I give in, I can't explain this in words small enough for you to understand.

17. The cloak is a bitch to get.. still waiting for my valor cap to go away

18. Originally Posted by Osmeric
Obviously not. An oqueue group always has a premade subgroup. Random BGs will usually not. The stats for the former are not the same as the stats for the latter.

Admit defeat in this argument, you are shooting intellectual blanks.
"La la la la la" is not a rebuttal.

19. I'm good at PVP and I'm Horde. I'm most advanced on this quest chain on a toon I do very little PVP on, but now I want to PVP on to get the damn Mushan blood coins mount (my main PVP toon is healer, so....). My problem is the RNGness of the drops. It took months and months to get the sigils. Took little over a week for the 3K valor (didn't know it tallied past the cap) and then the secrets... I'm 16/20, week 1 I got 8, week 2 I got 0 (17 bosses, no lei shen kill) and then got another 8 this week. I'm just happy we can do it in LFR.

I've had several friends ask me to join them for the PVP battles, you might want to try their bonus weekends and/or OQueue/OpenRaid to get a premade.

20. Originally Posted by Magpai
"La la la la la" is not a rebuttal.
So, you're claiming a random BG group that has an oQ premade is just the same as one that doesn't, and they should be expected to have the same chance of winning?

Don't insult our intelligence with such nonsensical reasoning.

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