oqueoe removal from curse

[Coldhearth]

If your addon is against TOS, last thing you do is piss off mod sites (or game devs).

If the addon was offensive to Blizz, they would have broken it. They haven't. It's curse which removed the add on from their site. Meanwhile they continue to profit off the work of others. It's just hilariously stupid.

[Iseeyou]

Removed...

[miffy23]

If your addon is against TOS, last thing you do is piss off mod sites (or game devs).

True, i'm just clarifying that the Addon was not removed because it has some kind of negative or dangerous aspect, as some would have the majority believe. The violation mentioned is a harmless technicality that has really nothing to do with Curse and the Addon.

As I said, it's freely available from the original source, it's better and more popular than ever, if Blizzard finds issue with the button they will contact the author and it will be removed i'm sure, all of this had nothing to do with the reasons for the Curse removal.

[Imnick]

So, it's okay for curse to profit from and charge for the hard work of others (addon authors) and even plaster ads all over their networks for games they didn't create... but it's not okay for these people they are profiting from to ask for compensation for their hard work. That is indeed a double standard.

Yes
Because they are advertising on their website, to provide income to continue providing the website, in a space that they paid for

Which oQueue is not doing

There is nothing morally wrong with advertising to pay your bills, and it is not hypocritical to criticise someone for advertising in a space that they are not allowed to advertise in, which they do not own while advertising yourself on the space that you personally do own and are allowed to advertise in, in order to pay for upkeep and make a profit on your business

[WarTV]

i hope it does not get removed. this is by far the best thing that u could use to enhance your game.
idk if i can play the game again if this addon gets removed. proly will be back to 80% afk in town again

[Raiju]

If the addon was offensive to Blizz, they would have broken it. They haven't. It's curse which removed the add on from their site. Meanwhile they continue to profit off the work of others. It's just hilariously stupid.

A) Curse is free to use with an optional premium service. Sure there are ads, but what hosting site doesn't have ads?

[Imnick]

It also isn't possible for Blizzard to break oQueue in any way that doesn't affect other addons unless they hunt for specific text strings, in which case they could easily just change the addon to work around that
It doesn't have a specific function that it is not allowed to access, it is just abusing the ability to print text

The most they can do is ban the addon creator

[Vulcanasm]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that it's technically not a TOS violation when Curse demands money for "premium" service, but only in the same sense that if you play a recording that yells "fire" in the crowded theater, charges might not stick. Assuming there was a way to code such things, Blizzard could freely ban the Curse client for violating its TOS without changing a single word in their TOS. They choose not to care, just as they've chosen not to ban oQueue so far.

...and probably for a similar reason. Just as Curse was an amazing thing for WoW, this addon is the single best mod for any game that I've ever seen. It's one of the biggest reasons I still play. If they ban oQueue, it will be the biggest way they've shot themselves in the foot since the old world revamp.

[ItachiZaku]

It's like a reason to play WoW instead of other MMOs, it is that good. What is so great about it is the ability to actually have a leader who makes actual calls about the group content and can remove tards.

I also love the global ban list, btw, and it breaks no rules. What a great threat- fuck with the community, actually get banned.

Yep. I've kept my account going for probably an extra 3-4 months this year, purely due to OQueue allowing me to do things I wouldn't normally be able to do.

And yeah, act like a prick, get treated like one.

[Imnick]

Blizzard cannot ban the curse client for any reason because the curse client is a third party application that does not in any way interfere with the WoW client
It cannot print in-game messages and is completely outside of Blizzard's legal remit

They can ban oQueue though because it prints messages within the game, the area in which Blizzard have power and the only area within which the ToS has any scope. I imagine they haven't yet because they haven't noticed, and if they do then they will make requests of the addon author before pulling out any guns.

[Bodom]

Blizzard are probably working on something similar already, I doubt they'll break the addon before their own system is in place. Oqueue is the only addon I can think of that has dramatically changed how people interact and play with each other in WoW, banning it now would cause a massive outrage and would lead to a lot of people quitting the game.

I myself play on a low pop server and all the doors this addon has opened for me... It's the best addon ever created, simple as that.

[corebit]

The addon author should be grateful Blizzard even tolerates oQueue and not just ban it altogether. After the RealID queuing was hotfixed, he was all up in arms about it in the official forums even after Blizzard explained it to him that his addon was circumventing the purpose of random battlegrounds and it was degrading the experience of every player who did not use oQueue.

His confrontational attitude is what gets him in trouble wiith either Blizzard or Curse. If he thinks his addon is God's gift to WoW then so be it, he definitely won't be making friends in the long run like this.

[Yunru]

If the addon was offensive to Blizz, they would have broken it. They haven't. It's curse which removed the add on from their site. Meanwhile they continue to profit off the work of others. It's just hilariously stupid.

True that. Thats why every addon i ever created was only avaible on my site. But i did hear the storys of people who *stole* the autors addon and pasted it as theirs on curse.

[Barael]

Just a reminder, Blizzard "oQueue" already exists (remember pugging Naxxramas in WotLK); they just removed it at some point in favor of automated queue-style matchmaking. They just need to bring that back and add crossrealm support.

[Vulcanasm]

Blizzard cannot ban the curse client for any reason because the curse client is a third party application that does not in any way interfere with the WoW client
It cannot print in-game messages and is completely outside of Blizzard's legal remit

They can ban oQueue though because it prints messages within the game, the area in which Blizzard have power and the only area within which the ToS has any scope. I imagine they haven't yet because they haven't noticed, and if they do then they will make requests of the addon author before pulling out any guns.

...or maybe it's because they all use oQueue and they all like it? Seriously, have you paid attention to how many "blue" posts implicitly endorse it?

If I was on Blizzard's legal team, rather than take this childish/heavy-handed "ban hammer" approach, I'd have a polite conversation with the mod's authors to bring it into line with the TOS. As for Curse and their shitty software, if Blizzard didn't like it, they could just lodge complaints with the California Attorney General. Of course, if the Curse client moves any further toward the realm of malware, they probably won't need to.

[Orange Joe]

Only donations of beer, though!

Doesn't matter. You can't ask for ANY donations.

[Orange Joe]

So, it's okay for curse to profit from and charge for the hard work of others (addon authors) and even plaster ads all over their networks for games they didn't create... but it's not okay for these people they are profiting from to ask for compensation for their hard work. That is indeed a double standard.

You aren't reading it right. OQ author could ask for donations on his site all day without a problem.

[Surfd]

I was talking about this

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I know what you were talking about. You were talking about the global ban list being "unsecured". That still does not change the fact that editing the global ban list at the local level in any way will have 0 appreciable impact on the addon's ability to do what it does (or on the effectiveness of the Ban list of doing what it does either).

Unless you are a major distribution channel for the addon (which you could probably count on one hand i might add), and can edit it before distributing it, thereby pushing your change out to a signifigant number of the people who use the addon, nothing is going to happen.

Besides, what exactly are you going to do? Add random battle tags to it? I mean, unless you have a grudge against someone in particular, or just want to cause general mischief by adding random Btags to it (of people who might not even USE the addon I might add), anyone messing with the global ban list is going to cause almost no noticable impact.

[Imnick]

...or maybe it's because they all use oQueue and they all like it? Seriously, have you paid attention to how many "blue" posts implicitly endorse it?

If I was on Blizzard's legal team, rather than take this childish/heavy-handed "ban hammer" approach, I'd have a polite conversation with the mod's authors to bring it into line with the TOS. As for Curse and their shitty software, if Blizzard didn't like it, they could just lodge complaints with the California Attorney General. Of course, if the Curse client moves any further toward the realm of malware, they probably won't need to.

You did see that I literally said what you just did right?

if they do then they will make requests of the addon author before pulling out any guns.

[Kuja]

I guarantee blizzard is creating this function for the next expansion.

It's a possibility. All new MMOs that I have played have a party lookup system just like oqueue. Though wow is ancient so it might be hard to implement it. Perhaps in WOW 2.