The gear gap is larger than it has even been. Why all the complaints about LFR gear?

[Sharein]

RPG does not equal progression. RPG is role playing.

How is getting free purples by logging in is RPG? Care to explain?

What does all this "entitlement" because you pay $15 have to do with RPG?

How is teleporting with 24 random people to the dungeon by clicking on interface button, but not traveling there through the world, is RPG?

How is killing strong foes while frolicking or AFKing in LFR fits in with the spirit of RPG?

If it is about "progression", why the free gear?

Don't you understand when you get free purplez through no effort, there is NO PROGRESSION. You did NOT progress. You clicked a button and got your purplez.

You have no idea what role playing games feel like. Don't ever use RPG for your fail attempts to justify your free gear ride!

Game is there to play, available to all subscribers. You can play and enjoy, you can role-play, you can progress. If you do not want to do those things, why are you in the game in the first place?

You really don't get my point, do you?

[Alternategray]

the gear is not the problem. The problem is that the gear is given for free, and they still get to see content

they don't deserve gear, they don't deserve to see end game content

For free? What?! Ever spent two or three hours in LFR and only down a single boss? Cause that shit SUCKS.

I mean, it's easy to find a flex pug that downs bosses in 4 minutes or less and can clear 2 wings in 90 minutes, whereas almost every time I've gone into LFR it's a fucking nightmare of wasted time. I'd say LFR gear (and seeing the endgame) is earned, if only through suffering, dealing with incompetent jerks all night, and repair bills.

I'm sorry if that would interfere with your fragile ego; you're going to have to find another way to be mommy's special snowflake.

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You do know you are talking about a video game here.......

That's exactly it. The problem with this particular (and pretty vocal) group in WoW -Grogo and Scarson and the legions of forum posters like them- is that they get their sense of self-respect from a video game. For most of us, regardless of what we do in game, it's just a game. For them... it's their life and their self-esteem. Kinda creepy when you think about it.

[Thunderball]

The gear gap is still not good enough for some heroic raiders the same reason the wealth gap isn't good enough for some rich people. It's not enough that they have the most, but everyone else has less and less.

Heroic gear is for beating heroic bosses. If they werent tuned to require such gear level to beat that gear wouldnt be needed and probably wouldnt exist. The prestige part about it is invented by people who never did that kind of content and are just jealous.

[Tharkkun]

The gear gap is still not good enough for some heroic raiders the same reason the wealth gap isn't good enough for some rich people. It's not enough that they have the most, but everyone else has less and less.

It's low self esteem, self conscious people. Most normal people including progression raiders don't give a crap about people receiving gear. It's the whiners in between casual and heroic that cry the most. They will never figure out that no one cares about their epics.

[Dilbon]

The gear gap is still not good enough for some heroic raiders the same reason the wealth gap isn't good enough for some rich people. It's not enough that they have the most, but everyone else has less and less.

"It is not enough that I should succeed - others should fail."

[chuachua]

The gear gap is still not good enough for some heroic raiders the same reason the wealth gap isn't good enough for some rich people. It's not enough that they have the most, but everyone else has less and less.

This is where you are wrong. I am a hc raider and I think the gap is more than enough.

Like one of the hc raiders who posted, I actually do enjoy doing the odd lfr once in a while where I can do 20% of the the total raid damage done out of 25 ppl. LOL. An issue people seem to misunderstand is that gear isn't the sole reason for high or low dps. Hc raiders generally have a standard of play which is higher than the majority of lfr heroes. No we don't care that you get gear. Skill > gear. Gear is just for us to progress on hc bosses. And also there's a a difference between casual and bad. I raid 9 hours a week but I'm more than halfway into hc soo. Baddies will be bad. They will will never run out of excuses such as no time blablabla.

[skulmar]

"It is not enough that I should succeed - others should fail."

Seriously. You know, all of these people are saying that heroic raiders don't complain that "casuals" have too much gear, but the other day I was talking to my guildies about the new 20 man raid size, and one of them (who is in the server first raid team) went off on a rant about how it will end "fake raiders (meaning those who run 10 man heroic) being able to get gear they don't deserve." I went on to talk to him about this, and I get the impression that he really does base his RL self worth buy the size of his e-peen and feels that anyone who has gear even close to his is a threat to his ego.

I just hope that we get badge gear back in WoD. Having to spend 6+ mind numbing hours every week running braid dead LFR every week for gear that is terrible but still gets me hate is really old.

[nekobaka]

Gee, people wanting gear and progress in a MMORPG...

Which has existed from launch.

"It is not enough that I should succeed - others should fail."

Meanwhile those who fail seek to ensure that no one else shall surpass them. Such toxic mentalities that are given attention.

[AbsolutePitch]

To be fair, I do feel the need for raids to be exclusive, even if I personally wouldn't get to see them that way. To be able to see the entirety of any game requires being rewarded for demonstrated skill. Imagine if you could get a Gears of War game, for example, and skip to the very last mission, or choose any mission from the get-go, without completing the storyline first, under the guise of "seeing content." I don't mind seeing content, I want players to be able to immerse themselves in lore and narrative, but this is a game and so those things have to be earned. The exclusivity adds stake to the game, and if you could just LFR it (which by my experience is a terrible, terrible excuse for an instanced social experience) then it just feels...void.

As for having content for those without access to raiding, emphasis on dungeons has to return to provide them with content and as a stepping stone towards raiding.

[Glorious Leader]

"It is not enough that I should succeed - others should fail."

The new spirit of the age "All for ourselves and nothing for other people"