Iran legalises pedophilia

[spinner981]

And yet are we bashing those countries? no, "we" are bashing a muslim one instead, one that happens to be an enemy of the USA.

You got a chip on your shoulder or something?

[poser765]

You got a chip on your shoulder or something?

Not really seeing a chip so much as just pointing out a strange set of standards.

[Easo]

I am not realy surprised... Too bad I cant ban that.

[Tradewind]

A child growing up in total darkness would not be aware of color, but that situation would not be ideal for them either.

Extreme example yes, but it is parallel to yours.

That's hardly relevant when it comes to a person's social environment. But whatever...

Why is it hard to admit that your personal beliefs contradict with someone else's and that's what is driving your response...there's nothing wrong with having different views, but it doesn't mean yours is "right." They're just acceptable because everyone around you, generally, feels the same. It comes into conflict with the accepted values and beliefs of people elsewhere in the world, who shockingly, have a different culture. They probably think that wearing jeans and a t-shirt, or drinking beer is morally reprehensible, are they right?

[Kalis]

The Daily Mail - upholder of British values and pictures of z-list celebrities in bikinis.

OT: Dull sensationalist crap that conveniently forgets countries have varying laws regarding marriage, and 13 is just as arbitrary as 15 or 16.

Have they reached puberty? If yes, knock yourselves out.

[Deleted]

Being horny, and emulating adult behavior does not equate to being mature enough to deal with adult situations.



Wrong. I derive my moral judgments in this case from my knowledge of psychological and psychosocial development, and what is ideal for the lifelong happiness and mental health of an individual.

I'm sure you have a very nice education behind that, but putting the word ideal and individual in the same sentance is wrong on so many levels.

There is no ideal for happiness or mental health, because every one of us develops differently, what brings joy to me will not by default bring joy to another, on a very basic level this can howevere be categorized etc etc etc....

My point however, is that I personally think it's equally as wrong to assume that young individuals, male or female are being taken advantage of, as it is to assume that they themselves can't take advantage of people far above their age as well.

I've had several cases happen near the area where I live of "young males" aged 22-30ish being fooled into sex with underaged girls, aka 15-17ish, and due to our laws then condemned with sexually abusing a minor, meaning they are never again allowed to work within education, medicine etc... And also they have to pay out a rather hefty fine to said young lady.... They do this systematically, because they get money out of it. It doesn't mean they are mature, or intelligent or fully aware of the long term mental welfare of themselves or their "victims" but they still do it.

However the case of this law is horrible, because it takes away the freedom of these young girls, because they sure as hell arent thrilled to marry some 30-40 year old dude, when they barely know what marriage entails probably.

[Deleted]

Pretty sure that 13 they aren´t Developed right not matter what Country..which means it´s PEDOPHILE..so try harder..Pedo is Sexual Attraction to UNDERDEVELOPMENT Childrens..nice try..

Prepubescent, not underdeveloped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
Pedohpilia is one of those words that's really close to losing its meaning.

[Tzalix]

We think third person and the imperial we are a good way of lightening up the tone of a discussion, but we don't appreciate our position being referred to as a straw man, when it isn't one.

I've never referred to your position as a strawman, that doesn't even make any sense.

However, this:

What if the 15 year old coerces the 30 year old?

What if there's a dragon too!?

Is pretty much the definition of a strawman.

[Vetis]

13 isnt uncommon for that part of the world, lots of middle eastern countries marry off girls to much much older men. forget the number but there is a terrible amount who die young giving birth after being married off like that.

[Itisamuh]

As far as I'm concerned, if you've been through puberty, you're ready for sex. Let's face it, people at that age are going to do it whether they're supposed to or not. The only reason it's illegal is because we decided to make it so, not because there's any legitimate sense behind it. People change physically and mentally through their entire lives, there's no one age where someone is suddenly mature enough to not be taken advantage of. Adults get taken advantage of and played all the time, that doesn't mean they're getting raped.

[josykay]

13 isnt uncommon for that part of the world, lots of middle eastern countries marry off girls to much much older men. forget the number but there is a terrible amount who die young giving birth after being married off like that.

However it is highly unsusal, even in those countries, that it is legal, to marry a girl, which is, by law, your daughter. The age is concerning enough, but the fact, that you are now even allowed to marry your "own" children opens the doors for abuse widely, since there is no family of the bride, who could complain.

[Molestron]

Wasn't it already legal over there?! Pretty sure I read about arranged marriages between 40 year olds and 9 year olds

[Derajal]

You guys are bitching like you can do something about it!

You can't change the world, too many people, too many views.

JUST GIVE UP!

[Tzalix]

Wasn't it already legal over there?! Pretty sure I read about arranged marriages between 40 year olds and 9 year olds

This new law states that men are allowed to marry their adopted daughters at the age of 13, younger if the real parents of the daughter give their consent.

[Speaknoevil]

That's hardly relevant when it comes to a person's social environment. But whatever.

Sure it is, let's inject only being allowed to interact with their immediate family into the hypothetical.

There is no ideal for happiness or mental health, because every one of us develops differently, what brings joy to me will not by default bring joy to another, on a very basic level this can howevere be categorized etc etc etc

This is an evaluation you're making after the fact, we are developed, and all of us in less than ideal circumstances. Yes, there is a *best* way to treat children, and developing adolescents, and it's what we as a society(all of humanity) should strive for.

Is pretty much the definition of a strawman.

That's a joke,

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

I don't think he believes there is a dragon involved.

[Underverse]

These forums have changed....

[josykay]

This new law states that men are allowed to marry their adopted daughters at the age of 13, younger if the real parents of the daughter give their consent.

According to the Guardian article the consent of the real parents is not needed. Just a permission by a judge. However I don't really know, what those guys have to do, to get the permission...

[Dch48]

I don't see it as pedophilia. It would be if the girl was 11 or younger. Ages of adulthood and consent are almost purely 20th century inventions. In Biblical times, and even long afterwards, 13 year olds were considered adults and took on adult responsibilities. This was even true in US colonial times and afterwards. Back then, it was a simpler life where you only had to be able to hunt and farm on your own and an education wasn't really necessary. As life became more technology and industry driven, an education became more and more required to get a job and survive in the world. That led to the definitions of adulthood being adjusted as well to allow time to acquire the needed skills. All the stuff about development and maturity were then added in. It's really all artificial.

[lockedout]

Its the daily mail, take it with a cup of salt.

They do report legit news.

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An exhaust is hard to resist.

I know whenever I get a new car I always throw after market exhaust on.

[Tzalix]

That's a joke, I don't think he believes there is a dragon involved.

Doesn't change the fact that it was a joke you used in an attempt to exaggerate poser765's very valid argument and you avoided giving a proper answer.

In other words, a strawman.