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    Don't player character draenei break the whole time travel thing?

    So as you know draenei can live for extremely long periods of time and if for arguments sake draenei like Velen were present in Draenor, would it not cause a paradox if modern draenei/ Velen went back in time? Should they not theoretically be able to meet each other? Blizz didn't think this one through. Still excited though!

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    They would be able to meet, but since it's an alternate universe we're going to, and we're not traveling back in time to our past, it isn't going to cause any paradoxes that we have to worry about.

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    There are no paradoxes that will occur in the next expansion, as they are alternate dimensions colliding, not us zipping the dark portal up to 88 mph and shooting into our own past.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    There are no paradoxes that will occur in the next expansion, as they are alternate dimensions colliding, not us zipping the dark portal up to 88 mph and shooting into our own past.
    I really hope the intro quest sends us 88mph into the dark portal

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    Goblin time travel technology does sound appealing.

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    If there's no danger of paradox's, why is blizzard going on about making sure that current Valen will be kept from going through to meet alternate valen?
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWC3587 View Post
    If there's no danger of paradox's, why is blizzard going on about making sure that current Valen will be kept from going through to meet alternate valen?
    Because that's kind of a stupid and muddled story angle.
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    Velen isn't going to Draenor with us. He's in Outland. We'll be meeting with Velen from this alternative reality on Draenor. Velen from that reality won't be the passive Velen we have in Outlands. He'll be a bad ass defender of his people.. out blowing up orcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Because that's kind of a stupid and muddled story angle.
    Meeting yourself in an alternate timeline is stupid and muddled? Wow, that 2009 star trek movie must have been worse than people thought.
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWC3587 View Post
    If there's no danger of paradox's, why is blizzard going on about making sure that current Valen will be kept from going through to meet alternate valen?
    So that players don't complain about paradoxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWC3587 View Post
    Meeting yourself in an alternate timeline is stupid and muddled? Wow, that 2009 star trek movie must have been worse than people thought.
    Having Velen's only story development thus far come as a double-velen experience would be stupid and muddled, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceddia View Post
    I really hope the intro quest sends us 88mph into the dark portal
    Hopefully in my collector's edition delorean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daetur View Post
    So that players don't complain about paradoxes.
    Simpler method of doing it then, don't fall back on time travel crap in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Having Velen's only story development thus far come as a double-velen experience would be stupid and muddled, yes.
    But us having to meet duplicated dead orc and dranei heroes is well thought out and fascinating.
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daetur View Post
    They would be able to meet, but since it's an alternate universe we're going to, and we're not traveling back in time to our past, it isn't going to cause any paradoxes that we have to worry about.
    Blizz already stated they can't meet. At one of the Blizzcon panels a dev specifically stated when asked about this very thing in a Q&A that there will be no character doubles.

    Judging by how quickly he gave the answer and how sure he sounded of himself, Blizz has already thought of this and have planned around it.

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    Spider-Man from Earth 616 can meet Ultimate Spider-Man without unraveling the time. They are alternate timelines/universes.

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    But us having to meet duplicated dead orc and dranei heroes is well thought out and fascinating.

    False comparision. There's no current old Orc hero alive. So you're wrong there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Blizz already stated they can't meet. At one of the Blizzcon panels a dev specifically stated when asked about this very thing in a Q&A that there will be no character doubles.

    Judging by how quickly he gave the answer and how sure he sounded of himself, Blizz has already thought of this and have planned around it.
    To me and with the fact that they kept chanting to not think about the time travel aspect, it sounds less planned and more like they hoped people would just not think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    False comparision. There's no current old Orc hero alive. So you're wrong there.
    You mean like sarufang for example?
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    False comparision. There's no current old Orc hero alive. So you're wrong there.
    Saurfang?

    Damnit got beaten to it.

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    Saurfang?

    Damnit got beaten to it.
    Or Drek' Thar, who's specifically mentioned in the text for WoD.
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    You mean like sarufang for example?

    Same way as Velen. Saurfang won't likely be involved in going to Draenor.
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