There is no advantage to wearing PvE gear in BGs and Arenas. So how is PvE gear interfering with your PvP in any way?
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Are PvPers complaining about LFR and Flex gear? All I see are PvPers complaining about Heroic geared players in open world PvE zones.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
In short, your numbers are a bit off.
I made an example comparing an upgraded LFR PVE piece with conquest PVP piece, which might help:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post23968467
The PVE piece wins.
You're 100% correct, you don't have a fair chance against a PVE geared HERO in open world PVP, matter of fact you don't even have a fighting chance. The gear disparity is off-the-charts unfair and ridiculous. Forget about the world PVP aspect of things, you can't even do dailies with the comfort of knowing you can hold your own in a fight. And, the situation will only get worse with the connected realms rolling out. This is the way Blizzard wants things to be and it doesn't seem like it's going change. Brian Holinka really fucked up PVP beyond all recognition. I can't wait til he starts fucking pvp'ers in WOD, should be a lot of fun.
Whether Devs are trying to balance it or not, fact remains that PvE gear after certain point gets better for "VS Player" than PvP gear, which means it's not fair.
EDIT: maybe not a good analogy, but it's like saying "The law states you can't drink water here, but they can". It's "How it is", yes, but still not fair
PvP = log in every day and pvp, win or lose you will hit Conquest cap and get free epics.
PvE = work towards a goal and hone skill until you are able to overcome challenges and earn gear, if you are lucky enough for your gear to drop and are able to roll / bid on it and win.
PvP gear being so easy to obtain is fine as long as it only has the advantage on PvP areas, as in BGs and Arenas. Which it does.
You want PvP gear to be great at everything, it should take a little bit more skill than afking in BGs to obtain.
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There is no advantage to wearing PvE gear in BGs and Arenas.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
Forgot to answer this.
The legendary cloak DOES proc on players just fine - for WORLD PVP. The proc is disabled in arenas and BGs. Same for the legendary PVE meta.
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Not sure what's wrong with comparing the value of secondary stats on a certain spec with PVP in mind. PVP players do this all the time when decide what to gem.
The cloak is going to be MORE than 10% damage for this spec in a heavy movement fight. It is easily 8% damage of heroic gear, which is much higher ilvl, on a stationary fight, so there...
So the cloak proc does work in PvE zones, where it is meant to work.
There is still no advantage to wearing PvE gear in BGs and Arenas.
I just don't understand why the PvPers want their welfare epics to be best at everything. You have the advantage in PvP. In PvE zones, PvE gear has the advantage. I'd say for a gear set that takes no skill whatsoever to acquire you're making out well.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
Let me understand:
players with pve gear that enter a pvp zone have no advantage. This is the case.
players with pvp gear enter pve zone and want the advantage. lol why?
I read through most of the comments as best I could without my eyes glazing over and basically the TL;DR version of the whole thread is "I used to gank PVE players in world PVP and they stood no chance. Now they can actually kill me and it's not fair!"
Ilvl is like a Bikini. What it shows is interesting, what it hides is crutial!
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
Because for every item with good stats in pve I can link you one with bad. BiS LFR is a rarity (and while we're on this subject) optimal timeless is ridiculously rare. With PvP offset items you even choose your stats between 2-3 items.
It maxes out at 8% damage (with good RNG) in heroic gear, usually doing 4-5% single target. Just because it does 11% on galakras doesn't mean it will do 11% on a single playerThe cloak is going to be MORE than 10% damage for this spec in a heavy movement fight. It is easily 8% damage of heroic gear, which is much higher ilvl, on a stationary fight, so there...
Edit: Not like it's a huge deal, we're talking small %'s now.
No, we want equality in PvE zones during fighting players ONLY.
Sorry, but if that's your conclusion, you didn't read it carefully enough.
I can't argue with that statment, but:
Fair is fair, no matter what % of players play that part of game
Sorry, but are are asking for PvP welfare epics to trump raid gear in PvE zones on PvP servers only. It just doesn't work that way. I know you want to feel like a special snowflake for all your hard work while afking in BGs, but you aren't.
There is no advantage to wearing PvE gear in BGs and Arenas and in WoD World PvP zones as well. You should be happy that your welfare epics give you this much already. A lot of people would rather anything goes in World PvP zones. At least it takes some skill to get raid gear.
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I know that you can't, and yet some of these PvPers are trying.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov