Sounds like someone should stick to playing Minecraft
Sounds like someone should stick to playing Minecraft
52 pages, 1022 posts in…..the voice of reason.
Rifts exist where you create them. The only way someone ruins your experience in something - especially a game - is when you let them.
I am likely an elitist by some of the standards in this thread. I expect people to put in the same amount of effort I do; but that's also why you don't find me in LFR. At the surface, I do not often view it as a good ROI (among other, more negative opinions).
That being said, on the extremely rare times that happens (such as gearing up an alt or trying to fill in a stubborn slot item that won't drop), you won't me yelling at anyone there, and you won't find my paying any attention at all to anyone who is.
My time, and sanity, is worth more.
There's a big difference between good player, and elitist. The majority of good players that i've met have been really nice. Elitists can come from all skill levels.
rofl, while I agree with having something like that in LFR, it would be rediculous to have it in bgs/flex/hc, imagine getting a group together, even a guild group and then someone just writes something thats not even pointed at anyone, maybe something they experienced in real life that day, and then get kicked.. from e premade/guild group.
I know you'll try to defend it by saying "it could be disabled for premade groups". My example still applies for a random group, I could've had a really bad day at a terrible job and just write in the chat "Fuck my job sucks, it's so terrible!" and then get kicked.
So yeah, I'm not reading the forums here too often but this is so far the most rediculous thing I've ever seen suggested. Might aswell request something like if you have x ilvl and do lower than x dps/hps you get kicked, would get rid of all the crap dps and healers, that would be more useful since then the "elitist" wouldn't need to yell at retards.
LOL as if this couldn't be any more backwards... I respect people for playing more casually than I do, but I don't respect people who waste both my time and their time by failing things they should know how to do (queueing for a dungeon, especially as tank or healer, means that you're making a commitment to a group of people, and you have an obligation to perform your best). As far as the casuals "tolerating" the elitists... it's totally the other way around... The elitists are forced to tolerate the bad gameplay of casuals, while casuals getting griefed for poor performance have no grounds to get butthurt.
If certain words and phrases offend you, it is not the fault of the utterer when you get offended. Either step up your game play so "elitists" won't "yell" at you, or tighten your butthole, and accept criticism in the ruthless way the internet dishes it out.
Elitism in WoW has a purpose, and that purpose is to make others strive to improve their gameplay, and allow the game to be played more optimally... The ultimate goal is utilitarian =p
Last edited by Logiks; 2013-12-06 at 02:16 PM.
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In fairness, everything is at least some degree of DPS check. Nazgrim apparently has 571 million hp in LFR, judging of the video guide I just checked, and there's an enrage at 10 minutes even in LFR. The adds apparently have 13.9 million hp. I forget how many waves there are, but it's at least 5 with 3-4 in each wave, so we'll be moderate & round it down heavily to 10 adds needing to be killed at 13.9m health, for an extra 139 million hp.
So even by my extremely generous numbers, there's 710 million health to get through in 10 minutes, which requires 1,183,333 raid dps. With ~18 players (17 dps & 2 tanks doing 0.5 of a dps each) that means you need to be pulling about 65k dps to pull your own weight.
I've been in plenty of LFRs where there are at least 3-5 dpsers pulling well below that level of dps.
The idea that it's all about mechanics is a nice fiction & all, and you can at least be less of a nuisance if you're doing mechanics right, but there is a fundamental "must be this competent to succeed" level even in LFR. It's not the free epics some like to portray it as. Easy maybe, free no - if you're not working for them, someone's carrying you.
Numbers may have been nerfed since the video I checked them from was released, but my point stands. Someone doing sub 50k isn't meeting the expectations Bliz sets on LFR, and in reality you'd want to be doing significantly higher than that to reduce the difficulty of many types of in-fight mechanics.
I rarely meet anyone in LFR whose scintillating personality shines through to such a degree that I'd happily carry them. Personally I'll constrain my distain & keep it in my own head, but few people like a freeloading stranger.
Last edited by lakhesis; 2013-12-06 at 02:21 PM.
You lose dps yes, but not a significant amount that ou should stand ou on the meters if you wouldn't stand out before. That's what the guy was suggesting, that people can be good but end up low because of mechanics. While it can lower your dps compared to a patchwerk fight, you wouldn't be good on the meters before then suddenly bad afterwards.
It IS a dps check if players are terrible. I've had flex groups wiping to enrage before because the group leader wouldn't kick low dps. No it isn't built as a dps check but unlike something like Malkorok, dps heavily influences the fight outcome.
You are bang on about how many people are sub 65k DPS on Naz :*( I call him the slayer of raids for a reason. Funny thing as a tank its an easy ass fight taunt at the right time kill banners (Which is easily done solo ona tank in lfr) and when not tanking the boss deal with adds. Repeat. A melee dps for sure has a less fun time rushing after adds but thats been the same since forever.
Not a elitist, just a total jerk. When I'm dpsing and I see the tank running to a mob, of course I'm gonna dot it up already, dickhead tanks like you make the game less enjoyable. Same with your healing answer, don't be lame and just do your job (keeping the group up), not healing someone because he pulled is just beyond lame. This game has evolved from the "wait for 5 sunders" and with tanks having 100s of tools to get or keep aggro and dps being counted upon doing a lot of dps or "low dps noob, /kick" it's simply a jerk move to not tank when a dps pulls.
Of course there are exceptions with dpsing pulling extra packs etc, but you sound like the anoying guy that if you're like 1MM away from the mob and someone let's a fireball go or casts a dot, you stop tanking, which is why people hate tanks so much these days that act like they're in charge.
Last edited by Outofmana; 2013-12-06 at 02:23 PM.
The world's full of assholes. You can't expect to play a game with 7 million others and not run into a few. Get over it.
Did some calculations because i got bored. You need tanks and dps to do an average of 58k dps to not hit enrage if you get 5 waves on nazgrim lfr, if they don't let adds/boss getting healed. Let's say they do, so we can say 60k dps required because it's such a nice number.
Tell me if that has ever happened that people on average was this low? Are you still going to argue that this in any way is something that you should be worried about happening?
It's just about people doing it right, so i rather have that low geared guy getting 20-30k lower than he could be, because he don't walk back to nazgrim when he can see next addwave is going to hit, and instead just idle a bit, waiting for the shaman, so he can pummel him down from start and interrupt.
I notice that kind of things. I do notice if they're just afking or if they're actually just more focused on doing the mechanics right than cheesing mechanisms. Just like people popping all CDs on the adds surrounding the boss.
Flex is, as i said another case, since it's not made to be faceroll to the degree that lfr is. I'm solely talking about lfr, because in a flex i will make sure to boot the obnoxious person with a max of one warning. People are usually very nice there, though.
The underperforming ones too, if it matters.
And you're just plain wrong about people not losing significant damage from swapping around to fast dying adds that isn't really stacked up.
Some can, some can't, but that's not what you're saying. You say that you know mechanics that nobody else does, to keep the damage almost the same as tunneling on one target for almost all classes. At least that is how i see it, because i don't know how to.
Last edited by Terridon; 2013-12-06 at 02:27 PM.
Everyone has so much to say
They talk talk talk their lives away
I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
-Darsithis
If it were only a few, it would likely not be an issue. But it seems like EVERY SINGLE RUN has one asshole that cannot hold his temper. They need to remember it is just a game, be an adult, handle it like one, and move on. Blowing their top and making it uncomfortable for others who are there to have fun is not necessary.
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If asking people to act like adults and handle low scoring players in an adult manner makes me an elitist, then yea, I am an elitist.
I am glad so many people on this thread think like you do. If you cannot get a point across with out directly flaming someone its probably not worth doing so. I have seen quite a few people openly flame someone whos not performing as well as they could do. Sure I don't mind pointing out sub par play if its constructive even better! But just telling someone they suck or a fucking noob etc is not really cool and just a waste of time. You earn no respect in doing it.
No it isn't flaming them. Terribad=terrible and bad. If they are dying and have low output then they as soon badly. Terribly bad. Hence the term. Is not flaming them. Calling them names that have no connection I what they are doing in game is flaming. Calling something in relation to their performance in game is not. If I call you a cunt, that really has no connection to any intake performance. I saying "this cunt has terrible dps" is flaming, because I'm using the dps as grounds to call you a cunt, when there is no relation. To say "this noob has terrible dps" is NOT flaming because the noob comment is based on the damage.
I was usin your gems as an example, I know you only do LFR but you should still keep up with your class mechanics. You aren't giving 100% because its not heroic raiding. I'm ire you are a good player and can handle yourself otherwise, but there is still not a reason to, just because its LFR, not give 100%. Howeve there are those who do not have the skill of a heroic raider who do not learn their class and keep up with changes. The "it only LFR don't care" mentality is horrible, and a sign of lack of dedication or care for others who will need to work harder to make up the difference. I'm not a great healer, but when I heal Inmake sure the raid lead knows I'm not great and have a friend who is willing to make up the difference. I do this in flex, and when I do LFR I have a healer friend come to help me out. If you have a healer willing to group with you to make up the difference then great! But don't expect random grouped healer to work harder since you don check icyveins.
Think most thinks the same. We just see some people that want to defend doing it because that's how they've always done it.
Don't really think we've seen a lot in this thread, if any, that actively afks and finds it unfair/elitist that people kicks them. Just players that don't like being flamed randomly by somebody that often is no better than themself.
Everyone has so much to say
They talk talk talk their lives away