Do you think Stance of the Gladiator will successfully allow prot to be viable dps?

[Moarkai]

If prot stays generally the same as it is now, it'll for sure be viable dps.

[Raugnaut]

After thinking about it a bit, making Shield Slam ALSO cause Thunderclap would be a helpful boost in AoE situations, allowing for many more thunderclaps then other specs, thus helping with Glad's AoE.

[khatsoo]

I think it'll work more like doing more dps without depending on vengeance when not tanking the boss (because of swaps, etc.) and making the solo/questing etc. experience for a main spec tank better.

[Deleted]

Imo the talent just looks like to much of an hassle to balance and id rathr have a usefull 3th talent instead of having 2 choices and 1 half assed choice as prot, im just not buying the prot dps thing if they want it to be like locks make it a glyph so you can choose not have a place in the very core of character build up like talents cuz it just takes away choice.

[Raugnaut]

I think it'll work more like doing more dps without depending on vengeance when not tanking the boss (because of swaps, etc.) and making the solo/questing etc. experience for a main spec tank better.

You would be unable to tank 2 tank fights as well since you do NOT have 500% threat generation and 25% less damage taken with the talent.

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Imo the talent just looks like to much of an hassle to balance and id rathr have a usefull 3th talent instead of having 2 choices and 1 half assed choice as prot, im just not buying the prot dps thing if they want it to be like locks make it a glyph so you can choose not have a place in the very core of character build up like talents cuz it just takes away choice.

Indeed. Blizz will PROBABLY turn it into a glyph, IF they keep it by my reckoning.

[Raugnaut]

A while back, there was a blue tweet that stated that Blizz was planning on having mastery increase tanks damage in addition to providing defensive benefits. Now, a +damage portion to mastery would do the trick, but that would be pretty boring. Sadly, I can't think of any "interesting" mastery that goes along with "Critical Block", which is what our mastery is called.

Anyone have any ideas for the upcoming damage portion of prot mastery that isnt straight +damage?

[Psidum]

The premise is flawed.

Glad issues will effect prot and vice versa. If they wanted to add a shield based dps class they should just add a 4th spec for warriors and do it properly.

[Bigdamnhero]

I hope they also add "While in Gladiator stance you may epuip 2H weapons in your Main hand.

Just so I can hold a Polearm and a Shield.

I've been asking for this for a while. Not likely but OOOOOOH boy would that be awesome. The whole Gladiator thing would make sense and if they are, for whatever weird reason, going to allow prot to dps the 2her might bridge the gap to being a full on dps with the 75% base WoD tank damage and 20% from Glad.

[barackohmama]

Nah I hope it will be viable for healing since prot is so bad for healing atm.

[Raugnaut]

I've been asking for this for a while. Not likely but OOOOOOH boy would that be awesome. The whole Gladiator thing would make sense and if they are, for whatever weird reason, going to allow prot to dps the 2her might bridge the gap to being a full on dps with the 75% base WoD tank damage and 20% from Glad.

While it would be cool, I don't think it will be likely to allow 2 handed+shield. As for the dps boost, well, the mastery->crit conversion closes the 10% gap for glad warriors- allowing 2 handers to be used would be icing on the cake.

[Bookofblade]

While i would love to have a polearm and shield I would expect them to leave it at one handers, but who knows

[Blisko]

I did not read all the posts but did not see anyone mention that the vengeance tooltip for warriors says you only gain it while in defensive stance since this replaces D stance its safe to assume you will not gain vengeance from it and thus not effect Barrier at all

[Darkfriend]

Nah I hope it will be viable for healing since prot is so bad for healing atm.

Isn't that due to Sbar though? It's an absorb, instead of a heal.

[Raugnaut]

I did not read all the posts but did not see anyone mention that the vengeance tooltip for warriors says you only gain it while in defensive stance since this replaces D stance its safe to assume you will not gain vengeance from it and thus not effect Barrier at all

Considering that vengeance will only affect defensive abilities next expansion, the loss of vengeance through glad stance won't affect much at all. Personally though, I'm of the opinion that all mechanics will act as though you are in defensive stance for purpose of both rage generation and various ability usage.

[Raugnaut]

Meh. With the recent Warrior WoD news, it seems that Glad Stance didn't make it through the few months since beta. That, or it doesn't show up in the tooltip for the warrior.

[Deleted]

I'm on both sides of the fence. On the one hand, I like the idea and I really hope it's a viable choice. Sword and board fighters can be offensive too!

On the other, it feels like a gimmick and if it were to become the most viable DPS spec for warriors, there'd be a lot more competition for shields. Add in the fact that primary stats will be dynamic and we suddenly have A LOT of competition for the shields - tanks, elemental and restoration shamans, holy paladins and possibly some DPS warriors.

I don't know. I guess I do hope that they'll be able to implement it smoothly.

[Deleted]

I hope not, and for so many reasons.
Blizzard already struggle to keep some appearance of "balance" between the vast number of classes and specs we already have throwing in the need to balance extra dps specs based off of a tank will probably just cause more trouble than its worth for a cheap gimmick.
Then you have inflation of items, 1h str dps weapons and dps shields which are only viable options for said dps class.
Its really pointless just so you can have something that looks like a tank but instead of hitting for 10k hits for 20k and instead of taking 10k damage takes 20k damage.

[Zka]

I would LOVE to play shield dps, but looks like I won't have the chance

[Deleted]

I could not think of a reason why people would oppose an idea for us running around with a shield and a one hander and kill stuff.. i cant even comprehend why someone would be against this.. it's so iconic.. it's so fucking cool.. SUPPORT IT.. WHINE IF IT GETS REMOVED.. we need this.. it's gonna give us more options..

and dont even get me started on the cool factor.

[Deleted]

I could not think of a reason why people would oppose an idea for us running around with a shield and a one hander and kill stuff.. i cant even comprehend why someone would be against this.. it's so iconic.. it's so fucking cool.. SUPPORT IT.. WHINE IF IT GETS REMOVED.. we need this.. it's gonna give us more options..

and dont even get me started on the cool factor.

You ask people to support a talent that is basicly like warlocks demon hunter glyph except now its a talent and is just a sore to the eye because it just takes away option for prot.....

You are calling it more options , i call its taking AWAY choices.
You are calling it cool , i call it a balance sore.