So a female posted this on Facebook

[Liquidatom]

Actually no, it's a direct result of women being the ones to ask for custody, which in turn is the result of gender roles as you mentioned. There is no bias on the part of the court to give custody to women due to those stereotypes. Judges are more likely to consider women unfit due to that stereotpye ('if you were a good mother why would the father ask for custody?')

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.

[Windfury]

Actually no, it's a direct result of women being the ones to ask for custody, which in turn is the result of gender roles as you mentioned.

It's a bit of both really, as above here where men seek custody they're awarded it equally, but there are simply less men seeking custody. In other countries I'm under the impression the disparity is also related to an old judicial presumption that children should go to the mother as they are the better carer - which is a very direct reflection of gender roles being institutionalised by the legal system.

[fearom]

I've still never heard anybody say anything like that.

Mind officially blown.

[Blitzingtakin]

Really? That's kind of been an attitude that's been around a long time. 'Course, I suppose any of this stuff might have some variation between nations.

I don't know if this has been said or not but I think it is selfish. Not in the exact context of your quote however. By having a child you are directly responsible for everything they ever experience. You forfeit your individuality and must use your maximum effort towards the child. This is why I have a difficult time believing having children isn't immoral. One thing you may think is "you can't be certain of their circumstances". Well, since we have no experience of the alternative the argument is invalid. It can be selfish to not devote yourself to your kids first.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't know if this has been said or not but I think it is selfish. Not in the exact context of your quote however. By having a child you are directly responsible for everything they ever experience. You forfeit your individuality and must use your maximum effort towards the child. This is why I have a difficult time believing having children isn't immoral. One thing you may think is "you can't be certain of their circumstances". Well, since we have no experience of the alternative the argument is invalid. It can be selfish to not devote yourself to your kids first.

This is fucking stupid.

[Windfury]

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.

Study 1: MASS
2100 cases where fathers sought custody (100%)
5 year duration

29% of fathers got primary custody
65% of fathers got joint custody
7% of mothers got primary custody

Study 2: MASS
700 cases. In 57, (8.14%) father sought custody
6 years

67% of fathers got primary custody
23% of mothers got primary custody

Study 3: MASS
500 cases. In 8% of these cases, father sought custody
6 years

41% of fathers got sole custody
38% of fathers got joint custody
15% of mothers got sole custody

Study 4: Los Angeles
63% of fathers who sought sole custody were successful

Study 5: US appellate custody cases
51% of fathers who sought custody were successful (not clear from wording whether this includes just sole or sole/joint custody)

From the New England Law review - http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/M...Bias_Study.htm

[OzoAndIndi]

I've never heard that mentality before.

I never heard it either.

I don't know if this has been said or not but I think it is selfish. Not in the exact context of your quote however. By having a child you are directly responsible for everything they ever experience. You forfeit your individuality and must use your maximum effort towards the child. This is why I have a difficult time believing having children isn't immoral. One thing you may think is "you can't be certain of their circumstances". Well, since we have no experience of the alternative the argument is invalid. It can be selfish to not devote yourself to your kids first.

And now you have. Sadly.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

And now you have.

Yeah well....IT IS STUPID. By Elune what kind of crap is that. Sheez.....

[artemishunter1]

I did mention the blind didn't I?

The majority of sexism towards women is benevolent today... really. So if every time you got somewhere in life people remarked "It's because you love taking it up the ass", that wouldn't be harmful to your life at all. Fair enough, your prerogative. (One example of MANY daily situations for women in the western world)



Are you joking? Four times as many men are pathetic that's why they're putting the gun in their mouth - where did that statistic come from btw? How does that have anything to do with sexism. Wtf are you even talking about.

The stat is sound. It comes from every academic books that deals with psychology. The reason it is sexist, is because society does not pay much attention to why men are killing themselves. Issues are not focused on as one is focusing on female issues such as breast cancer.

[Khaza-R]

And now you have. Sadly.

I think he's implying both sexes can be selfish in that regard. But regardless, that's a rather odd way to look at it.

[Deleted]

Are you joking? Four times as many men are pathetic that's why they're putting the gun in their mouth - where did that statistic come from btw? How does that have anything to do with sexism. Wtf are you even talking about.

Never go full..... you know what i mean
Just wow you are one bigot under the sun do you claim you are a moderate feminist?
I feel pure hate for the bias and spitefull nature of this remark.

fearom just stop being the way you are.

To claim that people who choose suicide are pathetic because they are male (or female) is just mindboggling hatefull
emotionless, sexists, ignorant and well pathetic anyway to think its ok to say something like that on an open plattform..
i don't know this makes me sad.

[Blitzingtakin]

Yeah well....IT IS STUPID. By Elune what kind of crap is that. Sheez.....

I can be less wordy and conciderate if you'd like.

By having children you are thereafter responsible for everything good and bad that happens in their life. Since we cannot say what not existing is like, we cannot say existing is the better choice. Having children is immoral.

[artemishunter1]

Study 1: MASS
2100 cases where fathers sought custody (100%)
5 year duration

29% of fathers got primary custody
65% of fathers got joint custody
7% of mothers got primary custody

Study 2: MASS
700 cases. In 57, (8.14%) father sought custody
6 years

67% of fathers got primary custody
23% of mothers got primary custody

Study 3: MASS
500 cases. In 8% of these cases, father sought custody
6 years

41% of fathers got sole custody
38% of fathers got joint custody
15% of mothers got sole custody

Study 4: Los Angeles
63% of fathers who sought sole custody were successful

Study 5: US appellate custody cases
51% of fathers who sought custody were successful (not clear from wording whether this includes just sole or sole/joint custody)

From the New England Law review - http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/M...Bias_Study.htm

Massachutte is not large enough though. It is very small state. Perhaps, there are reasons for such divorce agreements where they had to forgo child custody. There is also the case of wife ending up with the house, while husband has to find somewhere to live.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I can be less wordy and conciderate if you'd like.

By having children you are thereafter responsible for everything good and bad that happens in their life. Since we cannot say what not existing is like, we cannot say existing is the better choice. Having children is immoral.

In your twisted perception sure but it's pretty bullshit no matter how you swing it.

[omnomnomicon]

Massachutte is not large enough though. It is very small state. Perhaps, there are reasons for such divorce agreements where they had to forgo child custody. There is also the case of wife ending up with the house, while husband has to find somewhere to live.

14th largest state by population according to the 2010 census.

[Liquidatom]

Massachutte is not large enough though. It is very small state. Perhaps, there are reasons for such divorce agreements where they had to forgo child custody. There is also the case of wife ending up with the house, while husband has to find somewhere to live.

Agreed.

Here is a more complete survey:

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08...-support-data/

[fearom]

Never go full..... you know what i mean
Just wow you are one bigot under the sun do you claim you are a moderate feminist?
I feel pure hate for the bias and spitefull nature of this remark.

fearom just stop being the way you are.

To claim that people who choose suicide are pathetic because they are male (or female) is just mindboggling hatefull
emotionless, sexists, ignorant and well pathetic anyway to think its ok to say something like that on an open plattform..
i don't know this makes me sad.

http://bit.ly/zPsyxp

[Khaza-R]

I can be less wordy and conciderate if you'd like.

By having children you are thereafter responsible for everything good and bad that happens in their life. Since we cannot say what not existing is like, we cannot say existing is the better choice. Having children is immoral.

Sure you can. You do this every second you choose to still keep existing. If not, you'd simply kill yourself and nonexist.

[Deleted]

http://bit.ly/zPsyxp

Thats not satire thats sexist. Well probably got the job for blowing dicks /jk

Now change blowing dicks with pathetic for killing yourself and you have a total kicking the dog moment.

But its ok when you make fun of men? Sexism.
Male victims hilarious had it coming HAHAHAHAHAHA
Pathetic fuck killing himself.

Do you get it? Its a men he has to be strong thats why its funny that he actually chooses to kill himself.

Female Police Officer killling herself hahahah probably didn't want to suck dicks anymore.
No /jk in the world can reduce your bad taste.

[Deleted]

Humans are all exactly the same.