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    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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    Flying and Gameplay
    Using a flight path to automate travel between predetermined travel points isn't an argument to remove the need to be on the ground and work toward objectives through combat and exploration in a dangerous/challenging environment.

    These things are not linked just because a flight path is "flight".

    This is a problem they need to fix. Gameplay should not only exist in raids and Arena.
    Both of which don't allow flying.

    Not because the mobs don't hit hard enough but because it's easy as hell to skirt around their aggro range and not aggro them in the first place.
    I've seen this response more than a few times, and it falls into the same line of reasoning. "Because I can put thought and effort into potentially avoiding "unnecessary" combat, those combat situations shouldn't exist." The same could be said of almost any content or mechanic or system, but it isn't a good argument for its removal as a part of the game.

    Well of course not they are both very small environments that teams enter to work toward a common goal and therefore share nothing with the wide open world of wow where we used to be free to explore by every means possible.

    So being able to fly in AV wouldn't make it easier to fly over combat to capture objectives? Being able to fly in a raid wouldn't trivialize encounters and remove the need to progress through the content, fly to the last boss, etc.? You can quest in a group of people, does that then negate your desire to fly and trivialize outdoor content?

    I think you guys are missing the point that you still do have to fight. GC didn't want people swooping in on prison cages, but you need keys to open them which require you to kill mobs.
    I think you'd appreciate more variety in your quests than kill collections. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Subrace Fan Art
    Shoc put together some nice subrace mockups on the forum recently. Keep in mind this is just fan art!

    Subraces in WoW
    What do you think about adding subrace options to WoW? Keep in mind that time spent creating new textures and model tweaks for this would take away from the time spent on other art. The same applies for any lore and in game story that could be created to go along with them.

    It appears Chris Robinson (Senior Art Director) took a look and liked the idea, with custom skins being something that he would like to see one day as well.

    Other than that, the latest we have heard about subraces from the developers was in an interview:

    • The team has talked about more customization, such as sub races, for a long time. Some would require different models with different textures. A good way to give players access to the different races would also be required. Perks for the different sub races might also be interesting.

    We also saw a mention of subraces a year or so ago in another interview:

    • Q: Recently in Twitter Ghostcrawler mentioned the possibility of making subraces such as Maghar orcs and Wildhammer dwarfs available with the player character model updates, how high chance is there that this would also allow us to play as Broken or Taunka?
    • A: If we ever opened up more races, I suspect we'd be pretty liberal about it, but to be clear, that feature is no more than a twinkle in some designer's eye at this stage.

    Share your opinion and ideas on how to unlock subraces in the comments!

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    Last edited by chaud; 2013-12-21 at 08:30 PM.

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    Subraces would be cool if you had to do something to unlock them for your account. Something like a short, but lore heavy quest chain in Northrend to unlock the Taunka. Things like that would make it better than just "You can also subrace lol"

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    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Subraces would be cool if you had to do something to unlock them for your account. Something like a short, but lore heavy quest chain in Northrend to unlock the Taunka. Things like that would make it better than just "You can also subrace lol"
    Agreed. Some kind of Lore rich questline would make it rather awesome!
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    Agreed, incredible idea! If all subraces will have their own hybrid perks and unique Lore chain quests, it would be awesome! Would add depth and versatility for player models.

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    I say yes to the sub models without the extra lore because they already have their own lore they would just need a little extra to explain why they are in the faction they are in.

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    inb4 someone not actually realizing those are fan art...

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    We've already seen how the Dragonmaw and Wildhammers joined the factions, I don't think any more background stuff is necessary. I don't think any more stuff is necessary. Also, those leper gnomes, the boils on them make me want to vomit.

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    People need to just shut up about developer time being used for things. There is not ever going to be anything everyone agrees developer time should be spent on, and everything takes developer time. It's just superfluous to have to qualify "this would take developer time from something else" as if anything is actually officially and objectively worth developer time. It's unnecessary to constantly have to throw in that qualifier as if there's any feature with an alternative. We all know everything we wants takes finite developer time. A rich character creation system is always superior to some raid we're only going to have relevant for a few months before we move on to yet another one. My character has lasted me almost 10 YEARS now, meanwhile he's had nothing to show but armor sets and some cheap hairstyles recycled from another race.

    There will always be neat details the devs are working on that aren't requested. Nobody ever asked for Blizzard to give up an animation for when we open our maps. So let's just stop acting like that's important when talking about things we'd like to see put into the game.

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    I think its quite unimportant. Character creation gives you a variety of options to costumize your avatar. You can have green, brown, pale orc, or an undead with glowing eyes or without them, etc. Its just not written there, that if u choose different skin color your subrace would be different. And who is playing naked with his avatar? At the end, all you will be see from your new subrace avatar is his head from the back. If the new subraces gives some new button to push, something racial specific, it would be nice, but if not, its worthless. Rather spend time and effort into new expansion (lore, raids, enviroment, quests) cause im sick of pandas

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    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Subraces would be cool if you had to do something to unlock them for your account. Something like a short, but lore heavy quest chain in Northrend to unlock the Taunka. Things like that would make it better than just "You can also subrace lol"
    The main ones that are 'needed' that pop to mind are

    Undead/Forsaken. - This one is needed SUPER bad there needs to be some strong lore depicting just who ranks with the Forsaken, after all there were tons of High Elves that were raised by the Lich King among his ranks.

    Wildhammer Dwarves/Black Rock Dwarves - These guys kind of just need new markings and skin tones to depict the other Dwarven subraces.

    Outland Orcs - Just markings are fine but having it 'start' in the Outland Zone would be cool too!

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    If it would be cosmetic customisation only I'm fine with it, but if I ever see pathetic ass Broken added as a different kind of draenei I'll rage quite hard.

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    Let's see, we have a Leper Gnome in Undercity, along with plenty of lore based undead elves and half-races running around in various stories (if not in-game). So, there wouldn't need to be any lore to back those up. Plenty of half-races in the human cities, so no need for Lore there. Thanks to the Counsel, adding Dark Iron and Wildhammer skins wouldn't need explaining (I thought there was something that was almost dark iron in the skin tones already). Given how long the Highborne lived away from the other Night Elves, some of them could stand to look a little different (meaning something nearing High Elf features but not quite). Blood Elves should have, at least, some blue-green eye colours given that the Sunwell was purified back in Burning Crusade. Playing something like a Taunka would involve some stretching (i.e. unlocking). How long has it been since Burning Crusade? I don't think we need to explain away all the various non-evil Orc colourations, at this point. Aside from that ONE group of forest Trolls in Hinterlands, none of the other Troll groups would bother joining the Horde (especially after Vol'Jin humiliated them in Shadows of the Horde). Varying levels of Leprosy could only be logical since all the new gnomes actually come from Gnomeregan, now.

    Did I cover everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Targo View Post
    If it would be cosmetic customisation only I'm fine with it, but if I ever see pathetic ass Broken added as a different kind of draenei I'll rage quite hard.
    Oh yeah. Them. Aren't they supposed to suffer from some sort of limitations, given that they more or less had a falling out with the Naaru and the other Draenei? Aside from a VERY select few major characters between BC and Earthen Ring, I don't see how they'd logically fit into the scheme of things (unless they were auto-90'd).

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    I'd love the custom races...but that fan art of that human looks terrifying.

    It would definitely help their business in the long run for people who are interested in customising their character rather than having to look at all the other characters all around them and imagine they're like that, like roleplayers.

    Green trolls please.

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    I would LOVE to see subraces added into WoW, as far as MMO's go, it's damn hard in WoW to look unqiue unless your going with a random of the whale/xxx unicorn set.

    They would need some sort of epic quest to unlock though, and thats where the work comes in, because for some of the skins, it's a literal colour change, no work at all, but the work is implementing it right, making it more than a couple collect X quests and get a new toggle.

    I'm not sure about perks to subraces though, I think they'd have to have them noncombat, which would be fine, otherwise we will all be going Dark Iron Dwarf for the DPS cooldown.

    During development of the models, right now, is the perfect time to do this though, another reason to be pumped for the models, and another reason to draw back old players, but I'd imagine it's going to be a "We'd love to do it, but xxxxxxx", see you in 5 years sort of thing, sadly.

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    I really hope they implant such thing as sub-races. Love these fanarts Shoc did, just awesome. Makes me wanna play Frostborn and Dark Iron dwarf. :I Leper Gnome too!

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    I remember the author of those edits, hopefully its sparked enough lust for the change in the public and sets a better precedent for the sub-races inclusion in the future.

    these mock ups warm the heart, hope they spark a flame.

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    Subraces would rule, absolutely. More character customization can never go wrong.

    A few I could think of off the top of my head that I wouldn't mind seeing:

    Nightelf-based Worgen (the original Worgen were Nightelven druids)
    Highborne (somewhere between a Night elf and a High elf)
    High elves
    Non-worgen Gilneans (the emote set is already there!)
    The two other factions of Dwarves, of course
    Broken Draenei
    Mag'har Orcs
    Mok'Nathal Half-Orcs
    Forsaken Quel'dorei/Banshees
    Defected Zandalari/Drakkari/Gurubashi trolls

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    hm sub races would be fun, especialy inthe case of the blood/high elfs one half is horde the other allianz the only diffrence are the eyecolor and armor models/color

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    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    This is a problem they need to fix. Gameplay should not only exist in raids and Arena.
    Both of which don't allow flying.
    Uhm not sure if Bashiok just troll or idiot... Arena is just 100x100 room, you don't have to waste 30 mins to get from one side to another and in raids there's teleports "every 100 yards" or if no teleports then raid design doesn't require you to run for 30 mins.

    Put teleports in open world in every quest hub and I won't QQ about flying.
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