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  1. #301
    Oh were back to that stupid laws are only for people who follow them thing. Might as well repeal every law then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    Let me guess...outlawing home invasions?
    The full sentence of which he only bolded part was

    You fools don't get it...those gun laws aren't for us. You think we care about regulations? We don't register our weapons; we steal them in home invasions. Almost everyone I know has at least one gun, and not a single one has it registered, and not a single one was purchased legally".
    Less guns to steal because of regulation = less guns in hands that stole them because there are less to steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    A more sensible idea would be mandatory gun safes, or is that too extreme an idea?
    I would love potential liability for poorly stored weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monoxide View Post
    Regulating firearms only works for people who were already going to follow the law to begin with. If you're a criminal, or a soon to be criminal (read: someone planning a mass school/theatre/whatever shooting), there are PLENTY of ways to obtain firearms illegally, and having harsher laws on obtaining guns won't change that at all.

    Know why it's so easy for criminals to obtain guns in the US? Because there are so many guns in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    A more sensible idea would be mandatory gun safes, or is that too extreme an idea?
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    A more sensible idea would be mandatory gun safes, or is that too extreme an idea?
    You'd think after over 130 school shootings many of which happen because a family member gets a gun from the house (not locked up well of course) we would try and push for this but noooooooooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I would love potential liability for poorly stored weapons.
    They should come down on it like a ton of bricks, a bedside cabinet is not a safe place to store a pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I would love potential liability for poorly stored weapons.
    Me too, the family members who are stupid enough to leave guns out, or "displayed" where kids can get them are at fault.

    For instance one teen shot his friend and killed him with a shotgun that wasn't locked away in his house. The parents are to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."
    The world is out to get you isnt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."
    *Puts knife to homeowners neck* "Now draw that pistol and shoot me motherfucker".

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    They should come down on it like a ton of bricks, a bedside cabinet is not a safe place to store a pistol.
    Or under your pillow, or under your bed, or in a shoe box, or in a fucking corner... (my friend kept her shotgun out in a corner of her house).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowners neck* "Now draw that pistol and shoot me motherfucker".
    It would be equally as impossible if it were locked up in a safe.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."
    The invader knew that there is a safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."
    You realize you have to close some distance to do that right? You also realize that knives at least aren't as fatal (points to mass chinese school stabbing which led to no dead which happened around the same time as sandy hook)

    People like to do things from a safe distance, which is why guns are preferred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    The invader knew that there is a safe?
    Clairvoyants man....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    It would be equally as impossible if it were locked up in a safe.
    Americans are so damn paranoid... it's ridiculous... most people break in when you're not there (and when you're not there this is where your guns does you no good and instead gets stolen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    It would be equally as impossible if it were locked up in a safe.
    I can be out of my bed and armed within 10 seconds, I keep my guns in a safe. Who the fuck is after me that 10 seconds is too slow? The fucking SAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    It would be equally as impossible if it were locked up in a safe.
    If a knife is to their throat, where would the gun have to be to be effective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    The invader knew that there is a safe?
    They're pretty hard to miss.

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...fe&FORM=HDRSC2

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    *Puts knife to homeowner's neck* "Now open the safe, motherfucker."
    5 min later the homeowner calls the police with a description of a new illegal gun owner. Guy is now a wanted man. This also means that you can't steal weapons unless the homeowner is home, an extra obstacle in the obtaining a gun race. You could also make the safes electric and with two pass codes, if you use one, the safe opens normally, if you use the other, the safe still opens, but the police is also now on the way to your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    Banning guns will solve nothing, regulate them better instead.
    I think it has more to do with the general attitude in a country then anything. In Belgium they wouldn't find any gun anywhere even if they searched every house in most cities. The idea of owning a gun without needing one is weird to us, I'l never understand why people want a gun if they don't practise any kind of sport with it.

    I wouldn't even come near a gun without me having some proffesional guidance with how to use one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/spike-in-mass-...132625638.html

    I know this is a Yahoo story, but w/e. I found the information in it pretty compelling to the idea of employing people in schools (and other public places) whose sole job is to react to a violent incident. I already know the gun control arguments are against putting more guns in schools, whether it's arming teachers or having armed security, but the numbers seem to support the idea of first responders being on campus already in the event of an incident.

    Thoughts?
    You want my thoughts? Here they are: This is what happens when people who think snowstorms "disprove" global warming analyse criminological data.

    If you plot school shootings over time (# of incidents per unit time, maybe) on one axis, and % of schools with armed security on another axis, and you fit a regression line to it, what does the correlation coefficient come out to be?

    Unless that coefficient is strongly negative, the relationship (and implications for giving schools armed guards like they're prisons) is exactly the opposite of what Yahoo suggests.

    Subtle hint: The coefficient isn't negative.
    The plural of anecdote is not "data". It's "Bayesian inference".

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