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    One more thing. I read about The Liberal Gun Club today.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/%E2%8...sts-hates-nra/

    This is what we need. I hope people support them. We need more liberals to stand up
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  2. #542
    It's hard to swallow when you see a staunch, anti-gun politician like Bloomberg hiring his own personal armed guards.

    When you will walk around without the protection of a firearm, so will I.

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by BEYR View Post
    An armed response, however small and/or unorganized, has proven to immediately end mass shootings in the US. Every single one that has met with an armed response ended with wither the shooter(s) immediately surrendering or killing themselves. That should probably be a much more publicized fact.
    Mostly true, but not 100%. For example the one in the Washington mall where someone pulled a gun on the shooter and the shooter shot him twice, paralyzing him. A second person also drew a gun on him, but did not fire. Shooter didn't surrender until 4 hours later and a hostage situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmt View Post
    It's hard to swallow when you see a staunch, anti-gun politician like Bloomberg hiring his own personal armed guards.

    When you will walk around without the protection of a firearm, so will I.
    McVeigh blew up a government building because he felt the second amendment had come under attack.

    When people stop being psychotic about guns...
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    One more thing. I read about The Liberal Gun Club today.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/%E2%8...sts-hates-nra/

    This is what we need. I hope people support them. We need more liberals to stand up
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  6. #546
    I think it should be a requirement, like security guards, to know how to shoot a gun if you're a teacher. You should be background checked and carry one on your side at all times. I guarantee there would never be another school shooting in the United States.

  7. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    McVeigh blew up a government building because he felt the second amendment had come over attack.

    When people stop being psychotic about guns...
    You clearly have no idea what youre talking about McVeigh. He blew up a government building in retaliation of what happened at ruby ridge and waco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmt View Post
    It's hard to swallow when you see a staunch, anti-gun politician like Bloomberg hiring his own personal armed guards.

    When you will walk around without the protection of a firearm, so will I.
    When gun nuts stop shooting their enemies maybe he will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    When gun nuts stop shooting their enemies maybe he will.
    Who are these "gun nuts" you speak of? Because most people I know that own guns have never shot a person in their life. In fact, statistically speaking, legal gun owners are the least likely to commit a crime.

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    You clearly have no idea what youre talking about McVeigh. He blew up a government building in retaliation of what happened at ruby ridge and waco.
    McVeigh was introduced to firearms by his grandfather. He told people he wanted to be a gun shop owner and sometimes took firearms to school to impress his classmates. McVeigh became intensely interested in gun rights after he graduated from high school, as well as the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and read magazines such as Soldier of Fortune
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

    His fascination with guns proved more lasting. McVeigh became obsessed with reading about survivalism and Second Amendment issues. He acquired several guns, and set up a generator and a store of canned food and potable water in his basement so that he would be self-sufficient in case of emergency. One of the books he read, The Turner Diaries, a racist novel popular in neo-Nazi and militia circles about an angry man who blows up the FBI building in Washington, would become a long-time favorite.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/1...hive.mcveigh2/

    Around this time he first read The Turner Diaries (1978), an antigovernment, neo-Nazi tract written by William Pierce. The book, which details the truck-bombing of the Washington, D.C., headquarters of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), fueled McVeigh’s paranoia about a government plot to repeal the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the right “to keep and bear arms.”
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...imothy-McVeigh

    I'd say gun rights was part of his agenda/delusion/whatever you want to call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heineken View Post
    Who are these "gun nuts" you speak of? Because most people I know that own guns have never shot a person in their life. In fact, statistically speaking, legal gun owners are the least likely to commit a crime.
    "Gun nuts" is intended to refer specifically to those who have guns and are nuts, not to imply that all gun owners are nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    You clearly have no idea what youre talking about McVeigh. He blew up a government building in retaliation of what happened at ruby ridge and waco.
    Which had to do with...

    Here, do some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heineken View Post
    Who are these "gun nuts" you speak of? Because most people I know that own guns have never shot a person in their life. In fact, statistically speaking, legal gun owners are the least likely to commit a crime.
    Citation required.

    Statistically speaking, a gun is more likely to be used on a loved one than someone seeking to do you harm.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

  12. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Or ban guns? Seriously how many school shootings do you hear about in Europe
    Many more then there are in America actually...they just don't get the wall to wall media coverage it gets over here, so it gets glossed over and European countries try to pretend they didn't happen

  13. #553
    I'm very late to the party, but I don't see in the article linked by the OP where the suggestion is that schools should have armed/trained security. Am I right in thinking that is a leap in logic by the poster? The article pretty clearly states that there needs to be a shift toward training patrol officers - regular cops who are first responders - in better managing the situation before SWAT arrives.

    The only person who is quoted as stating that it has anything to do with a security guard was a colorado sheriff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heineken View Post
    I think it should be a requirement, like security guards, to know how to shoot a gun if you're a teacher. You should be background checked and carry one on your side at all times. I guarantee there would never be another school shooting in the United States.
    no.....just no... and I am a staunch advocate of the right to bear arms, but that is a ridiculous step. They are TEACHERS, not police officers...not soldiers...not trained security. Their job is to TEACH. I would support (but don't necessarily advocate for, I would want to see the cost of, and where that money would come from) an armed guard in schools, but to say the teachers should all be armed is silly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    Which had to do with...

    Here, do some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

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    Citation required.

    Statistically speaking, a gun is more likely to be used on a loved one than someone seeking to do you harm.
    You need the citation homes. Ok statistically speaking how many legal gun owners do you think are in this country that commit murders?. I can guarantee you that the amount of illegal gun owners committing murder is a higher percentage than legal gun owners.

  16. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You need the citation homes. Ok statistically speaking how many legal gun owners do you think are in this country that commit murders?. I can guarantee you that the amount of illegal gun owners committing murder is a higher percentage than legal gun owners.
    mind blown.

    Where do you think illegal guns come from? The illegal gun factory?

  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Ehrenpanzer View Post
    Many more then there are in America actually...they just don't get the wall to wall media coverage it gets over here, so it gets glossed over and European countries try to pretend they didn't happen
    I don't think so.

    Here's the only thing I could find that looked remotely accurate and non-insanely-partisan:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehrenpanzer View Post
    no.....just no... and I am a staunch advocate of the right to bear arms, but that is a ridiculous step. They are TEACHERS, not police officers...not soldiers...not trained security. Their job is to TEACH. I would support (but don't necessarily advocate for, I would want to see the cost of, and where that money would come from) an armed guard in schools, but to say the teachers should all be armed is silly
    The idea was that all citizens were armed (within reason). You simply do not have crime when everyone has a way to defend themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people walking around with a pistol on their hip, it's how it was intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEYR View Post
    An armed response, however small and/or unorganized, has proven to immediately end mass shootings in the US. Every single one that has met with an armed response ended with wither the shooter(s) immediately surrendering or killing themselves. That should probably be a much more publicized fact.
    Tauren feces. It's not a "more publicized fact" because it's completely untrue. Just off the top of my head, at Columbine, the shooters exchanged fire with an armed responder and then went back to shooting students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    mind blown.

    Where do you think illegal guns come from? The illegal gun factory?
    Fast and Furious says US Government. Just thought I'd throw that in for the lulz.

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