Ukraine

[Kellhound]

Russia should leave the rest of the Slavs alone....

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Livestream of EuroMajdan: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out

Also look how Ukraine streets look during the night: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=69f_1390656405

I can't even imagine the smell on the streets.

[ManiaCCC]

Too much shit in this thread... I love when guys from US are calling these people terrorist and animals..I love people who have no idea are somehow judging ukraine government or people..or police..I love how people are linking many "sources"..while most of them are just lies lies lies all over the place..

People here have no idea why for what these people out there are fighting for.. you really think it's about EU, USA, Russia..whatever?? oh no guys..you have god damn no idea...don't speculate..ask people directly from ukraine ..it's not that hard..

[Tackhisis]

We know that you are fighting for the Ukraine without Jews, Russians, Poles or communists. Whom are you trying to kid?

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Isnt that channel run by homophobe Kiseliev? Yes it is!

It was also one of the few websites in 2008 who was telling a story that the EU's investigation confirmed in 2009 — Georgia was to blame for the war, not Russia. What, you think the Western media covers things objectively, doesn't have bias, and only has facts that they confirmed themselves?

Bullshit. I could write essay about what happened during August,2008 but here is TLDR version of it:

You can read to whatever bullshit you want, son. Google the report done by EU in 2009:

EU Report: Independent Experts Blame Georgia for South Ossetia War

EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report
The Report stated that conflict started "with a massive Georgian artillery attack... against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008"

Furthermore, at that time, Georgia had various US military experts in their country. I doubt Georgia would "poke Russia" without the approval or consultations of these experts.

It is imperialistic and chauvinistic. Just a few days ago Lavrov declared an intention to open up schools in Baltic countries where theyd teach kids by russian programme.Without even consulting with our ministers of education etc. .

Those "kids" are native Russian-speakers, you Mormon. 25 million Russians ended up in a foreign territory after the collapse of the USSR. Half of Latvia's capital population are native Russian-speakers. There are plans to close all the Russian schools there and force the Latvinization of this significant number of Russians. Russians there are regarded as second-class citizens. They pay taxes, but they can't even vote for a president. Even during the USSR, there were schools of the native language of the republics they were in, and Russian schools in these republics taught the native language.

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No,Russia is cutting itself off from the rest of the world.With its peculiar,paranoid fixation on West,the recent ''anti-spy'' law and factual LGBT ban.Oh forgot the most important part-ban to critize religion(which will always ''offend'' the feelings of religious people).
I watch both BBC,Fox and NDR and the last thing they care about is Russia-it doesnt compare itself to it, it has no interest to piss it off.They focus on their own problems which russian media really dont-they rather deflect focus on outsie while ignore their own problems in economy etc. .

What anti-spy law? The foreign agent law that the US has since 1938? You think nobody in the West is interested in seeing a regime change in Russia? They want someone that they could work with, like the drunkard Yeltsin, who sold the state properties for pennies to the current oligarchs, who sold the complete Soyuz designs, training, everything to the Chinese, and the RD-171 engine design (that was developed for Energia-Buran project) used by Atlas V rocket to the US. You think the West weren't funding these various individuals and organizations to spread whatever propaganda they wanted? You think it's just the people who organized these various colorful revolutions in Georgia, Ukraine, etc. without any external help or funding?

and factual LGBT

And the law is "anti-gay propaganda in front of minors." Maximum penalty for which is 150$. It's not a ban on homosexuality. There are gay clubs in Moscow.

I watch both BBC,Fox and NDR and the last thing they care about is Russia

That's why you're ignorant as f. Being a russophobe, you only view one side of the story, and you don't care about facts as long as they are not in Russia's favor.

[ManiaCCC]

We know that you are fighting for the Ukraine without Jews, Russians, Poles or communists. Whom are you trying to kid?

your thinking is so skewed..

These people don't care about EU as much as they don't care about Russians or Jews.. they can give a shit about this stuff.. sadly, media are presenting whole situation as pro EU or anti russia...they just need change..and quickly..situation like this is in many other countries where people's patience is slowly fading out..

But of course..there is a agenda..what is presented by media..and of course what can USA/EU achieve with this..whatever will hurt Russia is good in their book..but same works vice-versa... Russia has it's own twisted agenda in the east of the Ukraine (that's why you see all riots only in west parts).. people are just fed up with the whole situation in their country.. but these big players..EU/USA/Russia can't wait to eat whatever will be left .. it's so sad it's not even funny..

[Mnevis]

on another note, the protest has an MMO twist to it as well

It was a upcoming trend - we started wearing ski helmets few days ago. +1 for defence. Hmm.

http://boingboing.net/2013/12/23/eur...k-revolut.html

(first-hand account of beginning of euromaidan; good read)

[Huntermyth]

http://www.59saniye.com/yildiz-savas...ayna-versiyon/

[HAcoreRD]

i feel for those police. out manned with their backs to the wall.

[Kasierith]

It's a large group, albeit a minority in terms of the entirety of the Ukranian population, set to violently attack government officials even before the Ukrainian government started being aggressive because they didn't get what they wanted. And then running crying to the cameras when they get their noses bloodied as a result. People can argue all they want about how those evil politicians are rejecting the holy glory and perfection of the EU for their old soviet buddies... but it's very clear and evident which side is following the democratic process and which side is throwing a tantrum with guns, explosives, and violent actions to get their way.

[Kasierith]

Got another interesting detail from her: Kiev policemen arent allowed to take part in these events.Most of them are sent in from Eastern parts (pro-Russia) of Ukraine.

That's.. standard protocol for any politically sensitive situation. You don't send policemen who are sympathetic with rioters to hold back rioters.

Cops should NOT have been sent in.All this major BS started only when they launched a plan to clear Euromaidan and Khrestchatik(the main street where they camped).It simply backfired.

So policemen aren't allowed to be policemen now?

And all of this could have been avoided by a mob of people following the same standards of government that they supposedly aspire to.

[Kasierith]

Dont lump everyone in there with those mindless fools who do throw Molotovs on them and put out banners of their grandfather Cossack SS groups.

Have the leaders of the more peaceful aspects of the movement openly denounced these individuals yet?

[Bumbasta]

No, I don't believe in sanctions. It's something that should eb solved in the country itself or will never be solved.

[Cybran]

[Tierbook]

Just saw that the pope released two doves in hopes of peace in Ukraine..... one was attacked by a seagull and lost some feathers the other got attacked and pecked by a crow. I'm guessing the Seagull is the EU and the Crow is Russia.

[Kasierith]

Quite sure that Klitcho did however Im not on my russian keyboard layout to bother googling for it.Will do in next few hours.

If the peaceful parties are actively attempting to distinguish themselves from the violent ones, that's different. But until then.. it's guilt by association. Without explicitly establishing a difference, there is no difference between someone peacefully protesting the current regime and working to institute change through words and public pressure instead of violently storming an administrative building composed of people not directly responsible for what they're mad about. They're benefiting from the PR and the pressure it causes.

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i feel for those police. out manned with their backs to the wall.

This is what happens when you try to violently put down peaceful protests, support an oppressive Government, and then work for said Government.

[Kasierith]

This is what happens when you try to violently put down peaceful protests, support an oppressive Government, and then work for said Government.

Your timeline in terms of the violence in the area is terribly skewed.

Edit: Oh, and the protesters are throwing firebombs into administration buildings while the police officers try to fight them off with tear gas. But its ok, because that evil government doesn't represent your will.... murder in the name of the loud minority is just fine.

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That's.. standard protocol for any politically sensitive situation. You don't send policemen who are sympathetic with rioters to hold back rioters.



So policemen aren't allowed to be policemen now?

And all of this could have been avoided by a mob of people following the same standards of government that they supposedly aspire to.

These people are taking their country back. If the police didn't try to violently put down the protests, this wouldn't be happening.

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Your timeline in terms of the violence in the area is terribly skewed.

Edit: Oh, and the protesters are throwing firebombs into administration buildings while the police officers try to fight them off with tear gas. But its ok, because that evil government doesn't represent your will.... murder in the name of the loud minority is just fine.

Do you have any proof that the opposition is a loud minority at this point? Maybe the rioters are a minority, but they're the only ones willing to fight for freedom. I think this quote works perfectly in this situation.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson

[Kasierith]

These people are taking their country back. If the police didn't try to violently put down the protests, this wouldn't be happening.

Can you give substantial proof that this is what the majority of the country wants?

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Do you have any proof that the opposition is a loud minority at this point? Maybe the rioters are a minority, but they're the only ones willing to fight for freedom.

You mean, the people who blasted a well known public figure (not an official, but a celebrity) with a fire extinguisher for voicing his thoughts that violent clashes were not the right way to bring about change? Your freedom loving rebels would have made Robespierre proud.