Defense cap through gear only needs to return

[Snakehead]

The 490 tbc cap and 540 wrath cap made it interesting while gearing if you were a tank because defense cap was the number 1 priority. Now it's just so idiotic with every tank Stam stacking while adding just enough hit and expertise to maintain threat.

Defense is sooooo necessary and needs to be brought back as a cap only attained through gear.

[Peso]

Priest should wield shields and tank would be epic.

[Serissa]

How exactly was it "interesting"?

What's the difference between "Stack defense till X then go for everything else" and "stack hit and expertise then go for everything else"?

Care to explain?

[Daetur]

So.... Defense was interesting because you went for Defense cap, just like gearing for Hit or Expertise cap, and now gearing as a tank is boring because you're going for Hit and Expertise cap?


Also, any tank worth their salt, outside of bleeding edge content where health is king, is gearing for resource generation (crit, haste, etc.) with the exception of, I think, Death Knights, who just stack Mastery, not Stamina. They're also not gearing for Hit and Expertise to maintain threat, they're gearing for Hit and Expertise to achieve maximum resource generation and active mitigation uptime and availability. You don't seem to have any idea about the current state of gearing for a tank...


Finally, Blizzard is removing hit and expertise cap, just like they removed defense cap, because they've established that they don't like forcing players to gear for specific stat caps across the board.

[ComputerNerd]

There is nothing interesting about an artificial and mandatory gear imposed cap.
Expertise and Hit being removed come WoD for that reason.
A stat should remain meaningful, not hit some magic number then lose most if not all of its meaning.

[Belloc]

They just got rid of hit, expertise, dodge and parry... why in the world would they reintroduce defense?

[Airwaves]

No it wasn't. Once you hit it it became a pointless.

[artem123]

why hasnt anyone made a comment about him saying every tank stam stacking?
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the defense cap was pointless and boring, didnt change anything about it.
not even sure why i bothered..

[Frolk]

Defense, hit, expertise, all these stats that NEEDS to be capped need to be removed, and im glad they are gone soon
What fun is in in a stat u NEED to have capped to even be a viable tank?

[Snakehead]

Defense, hit, expertise, all these stats that NEEDS to be capped need to be removed, and im glad they are gone soon
What fun is in in a stat u NEED to have capped to even be a viable tank?

Because fresh tanks getting to faceroll just because they specd that build it getting ridiculous. When I started tanking in tbc you had to reach certain targets and practice a lot to get good. Now it's just another faceroll spec like dps.

[Count Zero]

Wasn't there a period when Blood Elf tanks actually stacked Defense even beyond 540 due to the synergy with their racial ?

I mean, I hope so, because I did this ... haha

[WireRabbit]

Because fresh tanks getting to faceroll just because they specd that build it getting ridiculous. When I started tanking in tbc you had to reach certain targets and practice a lot to get good. Now it's just another faceroll spec like dps.

Ohhh ok i get it. This is a case of the special snow flake syndrome.

[Kraineth]

The 490 tbc cap and 540 wrath cap made it interesting while gearing if you were a tank because defense cap was the number 1 priority. Now it's just so idiotic with every tank Stam stacking while adding just enough hit and expertise to maintain threat.

Defense is sooooo necessary and needs to be brought back as a cap only attained through gear.

Show me a good tank who just stacks stam aside from like Absalom and i'll show you a bad tank.

OT: how exactly is defense cap interesting? The reason they removed it is the exact same reason they are removing hit/exp in WoD, it is an uninteresting stat

Because fresh tanks getting to faceroll just because they specd that build it getting ridiculous. When I started tanking in tbc you had to reach certain targets and practice a lot to get good. Now it's just another faceroll spec like dps.

What class did you tank on in BC? Because pally tanks just got decent spellpower and stam, kept up holy shield and then just did enough damage with judgment/re-seal to hold threat and that was about it

[vareck]

every tank Stam stacking

But this is wrong.

[Thimagryn]

tbh I think armor is a stupid stat to gear for. Admittedly there aren't many Tank-savvy mitigation skills. Crit and Haste all boost threat generation, and it might trickle down to some proc that helps mitigation but it's not really a defensive stat like Dodge (which is effectively gone).

I would prefer if they added a few more fun stats the way they added Mastery. Add a stat that helps lower cooldown on defensive abilities, or a stat that procs half-damage (Glancing).

[Raeph]

Sorry, passive tank mitigation died a good death and needs to stay dead. Metaphors aside, I've tanked from TBC to current content. I'm wholly uninterested in going to back to stacking X stat to Y level then being a meat shield otherwise.

Active mitigation is fun, you have control over your own survivability and the activity of a tank doesn't stop at looking at a gear list and equipping it.

Besides that I don't know a single spec that just "stacks stam and enough hit and exp to maintain threat". There are levels of accuracy stats that each tank spec must maintain to keep up their rotation, however Stam is not stacked to the moon anymore, except in certain gearing styles of DKs, and even then it is balanced with other stats. I main as a Prot Pally and unless you are doing Heroic Content the stam on your gear is enough, and you gem secondary stats otherwise.

Not sure what you are talking about there.

[squid]

Tanks stack stam and threat isn't automatic? Have you actually played this expansion?

[Romeothecat]

No. We're getting rid of the two most boring stats in WoD no need to bring anymore of the boring stats back.

[AeneasBK]

why hasnt anyone made a comment about him saying every tank stam stacking?
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the defense cap was pointless and boring, didnt change anything about it.
not even sure why i bothered..

It took 7 replies for the trollbait to be commented on

Yes. All tanks just stack stamina. Yes.

[Raugnaut]

OP has no clue what he is talking about, and is very wrong on many accounts, as has been pointed out by previous posters.

A) Gearing is relatively uninteresting beyond acquiring upgrades.
B) No tanks stack stam anymore.
C) DKs do not bother with expertise/hit for mitigation, only dps.
D) No tanks stack expertise/hit for threat anymore. Tanks don't really need to bother with threat anymore, unless they are significantly outgeared by the dps.