1. #11261
    This sounds like something they'd make up for April Fools to have a good laugh at themselves, but it seems to be 100% genuine.

    Which is bizarre because it's not only financial suicide, it's also exactly the OPPOSITE of how to deal with diversity. Why would you take people who are different and put them on display for their differences. That's... insanity.

  2. #11262
    I just listened to that yt...."Snowflake" and Safeplace?" WTF???

    And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...

  3. #11263
    This is a joke, right? Right???

    Why would they do this? Aren't they, like, a business, or something, like, that??
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPim9J08Yz8


    Oh, my lawd..
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  4. #11264
    I couldn't believe that guy in the video kept a straight face while saying that stuff. They learned absolutely nothing when the remade all the heroes as women and minorities. It's a double edged sword. Comic fans want their heroes to stay their heroes. They say just make new characters for your agendas. Welp, here they are.

    I saw a different article about it and my favorite response was: They'll be easy to defeat--just missgender them.

  5. #11265
    Quote Originally Posted by Altrec View Post
    The problem is these writers are not really writers. Politics and agendas have long been part of comics, but they stories were good and the agendas and politics were typically subtle and often open to multiple interpretations.
    Captain America's whole storyline is anything but subtle, and he's the main figure of Marvel nowadays

    On this New Warriors shit... Well, at least had a good laugh. No problem with "Snowflake" being non-binary or whatever, just don't define this character like that. What's his superpower ? His story ? Who cares, he's non-binary !

  6. #11266
    I still can't get over "experimental internet gas". Imagine having an origin story that is worse than the scientfically illiterate go-to of "random radiation exposure" of 70+ years ago.

    Surely this is an early April Fools, you can't tell me Marvel comics actually wants to cease to exist after the desastrous relaunch of their terribad characters in recent times. Someone there actually has to have at least a little bit of a wish to make money and ensure they have a job in the future.
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  7. #11267
    If they are reclaiming names and what not wouldn't Trailblazer have made more sense being called Thunder Thighs?

  8. #11268
    New New Warriors is so bad it gave me Super Corona AID's Cancer in my asshole!

    God Safespace and Snowflake... are you kidding me

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    As much as I hate Quartering and Heel v Baby face and as much as I wish those two would fall off a cliff sometime in the near future, Marvel brought this on themselves by creating a mockery of diversity, It was literally like these heroes were created by right wing man babys to 'own the SJW's'

    Who are their villains? 'White Privilege' and 'Toxic Masculinity'?

    I swear these new heroes were created by a bunch of middle aged white men in a board meeting in a 'hello my fellow kids' moment

    I am sure there were good intentions. But the execution is damn near laughable cringe. Wanna create non binary characters, fine, how about hire some actual non binary writers and artists

    I know Marvel has pissed off the LGBTQ community with this and that's a mistake when you are pissing off the people you are trying to cater to :P

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I couldn't believe that guy in the video kept a straight face while saying that stuff. They learned absolutely nothing when the remade all the heroes as women and minorities. It's a double edged sword. Comic fans want their heroes to stay their heroes. They say just make new characters for your agendas. Welp, here they are.

    I saw a different article about it and my favorite response was: They'll be easy to defeat--just missgender them.
    To be fair some of those were good and executed well within the terms of the story. X-23 as Wolverine was one of the best comics around at the time and was fitting considering Wolverine was dead and they literally built Laura up so well over time. I enjoyed Sam Wilson as Captain America too.

    My girlfriend enjoyed Jane Foster as Thor, I wasnt that fond of it but I never really liked Thor comics in general lol.

    The only ones that were pulled off badly were Riri Williams filling in for Iron Man as Ironheart and Amadeus Cho as Hulk nothing against Cho I love his character but he sucked within the confines of this Hulk run. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by minkage View Post
    New New Warriors is so bad it gave me Super Corona AID's Cancer in my asshole!

    God Safespace and Snowflake... are you kidding me
    I mean...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Altrec View Post
    If they are reclaiming names and what not wouldn't Trailblazer have made more sense being called Thunder Thighs?
    How is thunder thighs a derogatory name? It's quite opposite

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    Marvel wasn't even good enough when it wasn't catering to demographics back in the 90's and early 2000's. Aside from X-Men and Spider-man, all its titles were considered lame next to DC's big hitters and didn't sell as well.

  12. #11272
    I just don't get it. Why can't they just make interesting superheroes, and let diversity trickle in on the side.

    Make someone like Iron Man, but then he just happens to be gay. Don't make Gay Man, and try to find a way to make, idk, gay leather subculture into a superpower or whatever. That's idiotic and counterproductive, because it makes a spectacle of diversity rather than showing it as a fact of life we simply accept in a state of new normalcy.

    Peter Parker was interesting because he had superpowers but was also a teenager. He didn't get TEENAGE superpowers and became Zit Man or Puberty Man or whatever. What kind of ham-fisted, lame-ass design would that be. But it's exactly what we get here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I just don't get it. Why can't they just make interesting superheroes, and let diversity trickle in on the side.

    Make someone like Iron Man, but then he just happens to be gay. Don't make Gay Man, and try to find a way to make, idk, gay leather subculture into a superpower or whatever. That's idiotic and counterproductive, because it makes a spectacle of diversity rather than showing it as a fact of life we simply accept in a state of new normalcy.

    Peter Parker was interesting because he had superpowers but was also a teenager. He didn't get TEENAGE superpowers and became Zit Man or Puberty Man or whatever. What kind of ham-fisted, lame-ass design would that be. But it's exactly what we get here.
    I don’t quite see it none of them have powers nor designs related to any kind of diversity, unless vampire counts.

    If it wasn’t for there silly names (other then b negative great vampire name) then they would just be like any other boringly designed hero’s with basic powers.

  14. #11274
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I just don't get it. Why can't they just make interesting superheroes, and let diversity trickle in on the side.

    Make someone like Iron Man, but then he just happens to be gay. Don't make Gay Man, and try to find a way to make, idk, gay leather subculture into a superpower or whatever. That's idiotic and counterproductive, because it makes a spectacle of diversity rather than showing it as a fact of life we simply accept in a state of new normalcy.

    Peter Parker was interesting because he had superpowers but was also a teenager. He didn't get TEENAGE superpowers and became Zit Man or Puberty Man or whatever. What kind of ham-fisted, lame-ass design would that be. But it's exactly what we get here.
    It's kind of funny to bring up Iron Man in this context. I mean, sure, he wasn't about sexuality in that way or anything like that. The character was designed specifically by Stan Lee to be a representation of what people at the time hated (war profiteering, 1%ing, industrialism) and "shove him down [the readers'] throats and make them like him - just because he felt like it would be fun. I.e. he was being quite a troll there.

    The current stuff parallels that in many ways, only in a different environment. If the same kind of internet culture existed back then as it does today, he'd probably have gotten a similar reaction back then and few would have even gone out to read his stuff. As was, people actually went out and read Iron Man, many ending up liking him despite what he represented. A good writer can make any concept work. A bad writer cannot.
    We will see how this pans out. So far, I am not exactly tilted since it's apparently a series about stupid kids taking on stupid names (which imho is kind of realistic, though naturally probably contrived that way) and learning from more experienced heroes. Who knows, maybe it will be about how they realize those are pretty dumb names. Maybe it will be preachy and try to put them on a pedestal. We'll see. Can't be much worse than the superhero team created with the express purpose to have lots of sex and spread their 'superior' genes, which for some reason contained a gay man, a robot and a plant. With the rest getting Aids iirc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    It's kind of funny to bring up Iron Man in this context. I mean, sure, he wasn't about sexuality in that way or anything like that. The character was designed specifically by Stan Lee to be a representation of what people at the time hated (war profiteering, 1%ing, industrialism) and "shove him down [the readers'] throats and make them like him - just because he felt like it would be fun. I.e. he was being quite a troll there.

    The current stuff parallels that in many ways, only in a different environment. If the same kind of internet culture existed back then as it does today, he'd probably have gotten a similar reaction back then and few would have even gone out to read his stuff. As was, people actually went out and read Iron Man, many ending up liking him despite what he represented. A good writer can make any concept work. A bad writer cannot.
    We will see how this pans out. So far, I am not exactly tilted since it's apparently a series about stupid kids taking on stupid names (which imho is kind of realistic, though naturally probably contrived that way) and learning from more experienced heroes. Who knows, maybe it will be about how they realize those are pretty dumb names. Maybe it will be preachy and try to put them on a pedestal. We'll see. Can't be much worse than the superhero team created with the express purpose to have lots of sex and spread their 'superior' genes, which for some reason contained a gay man, a robot and a plant. With the rest getting Aids iirc.
    Even without the internet marvel was getting a similar Stan even wrote about it.


  16. #11276
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I don’t quite see it none of them have powers nor designs related to any kind of diversity, unless vampire counts.

    If it wasn’t for there silly names (other then b negative great vampire name) then they would just be like any other boringly designed hero’s with basic powers.
    How is looking things up on the internet even a super power? Maybe as a coordinator, but certainly not in the field..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    How is looking things up on the internet even a super power? Maybe as a coordinator, but certainly not in the field..
    They wouldn’t be the first hero with internet connection could be used for hacking and what not, but really it would come down to what else they give him. Without any other tech or any thing he’s just a way worse version of say viv vision.

    But given that there being taught by speed ball and others I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a moon girl/devil dinosaur esc comic where they don’t really do any thing serious and it’s just purely for kids as the adults don’t let them do any real heroing. Or you know they’ll nuke another school.

  18. #11278
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    It's kind of funny to bring up Iron Man in this context. I mean, sure, he wasn't about sexuality in that way or anything like that. The character was designed specifically by Stan Lee to be a representation of what people at the time hated (war profiteering, 1%ing, industrialism) and "shove him down [the readers'] throats and make them like him - just because he felt like it would be fun. I.e. he was being quite a troll there.
    To be honest I've always viewed Iron Man as a dick. It wasn't till RDJ portrayed him that I warmed up to him.

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    Good to see people on my side that are not anti SJW talking out on this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    They wouldn’t be the first hero with internet connection could be used for hacking and what not, but really it would come down to what else they give him. Without any other tech or any thing he’s just a way worse version of say viv vision.

    But given that there being taught by speed ball and others I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a moon girl/devil dinosaur esc comic where they don’t really do any thing serious and it’s just purely for kids as the adults don’t let them do any real heroing. Or you know they’ll nuke another school.
    I mean purely by what they describe here; it just sounds extremely lame. As a pitch for the character to potential readers this is just underwhelming, as the technomancher/hacker angle doesn't get mentioned which would be the only interesting things about such a character .

    Edit: And I'm harping on that character since I'm still not convinced that the others aren't just april fools jokes .
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