1. #11861
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I just wonder why you’d think it’s unfinished CGI instead of cel-shaded animation if they have a finished trailer. You think the artist had a 3 month old version on their phone they shared?
    the leaked trailer has extra scenes in it one of which was scenes of dafoe

    we also have no clue at which point in development the leaked trailer is from
    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  2. #11862
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDL49 View Post
    They may want to avoid the quasi-racial issue since they went down this road on AoS. And no, it doesn't matter whether AoS is canon or not, it is so closely related that the audience that has seen it (VERY widely syndicated) would already be aware of the issues in a MCU context. With not much in the way of surprises on the horizon they may well decide to go another way.
    The thing with the MCU is, they're perfectly willing to deal directly with real racism, so there really isn't any need to use an allegory for racism to explore that issue. I don't think even using it as an allegory for LGBT issues, like the X-men films did, would even work today. Audiences will see the allegory, and today, they'll just think you're too chickenshit to deal with it openly. And rightly so.

    I honestly don't think the X-men are ever going to exist in the MCU. Characters from the X-men could certainly show up. Especially if we get more than one super-team going. That would likely overload the film space, but Disney+ could handle a serialized show, a longer-frame thing than their current MCU shows. But could Wolverine show up in an MCU film? Sure. Storm would make an interesting addition to any future Black Panther stories; maybe she's Wakandan, maybe not, maybe she's making a play for the leadership and whoever the Panther is needs to find a way to deal with a living storm in a duel for the crown. They could even have background characters, if we assume there are to be more and more supers showing up over time; maybe in a big fight scene you don't have anyone called Cyclops or Scott Summers, but there's a dude in the background shooting an eyebeam that's obviously him.

    But the X-men? In the X-mansion? With Charles Xavier? Strong, massive doubts that it'll ever happen. There's little to explore, there, and their central allegory is dated and unnecessary. Not because bigotry's gone, but because we don't need to deal with it through the remove of allegory, we can just hash that out right in the open without needing to be coy about it.


  3. #11863
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The thing with the MCU is, they're perfectly willing to deal directly with real racism, so there really isn't any need to use an allegory for racism to explore that issue. I don't think even using it as an allegory for LGBT issues, like the X-men films did, would even work today. Audiences will see the allegory, and today, they'll just think you're too chickenshit to deal with it openly. And rightly so.

    I honestly don't think the X-men are ever going to exist in the MCU. Characters from the X-men could certainly show up. Especially if we get more than one super-team going. That would likely overload the film space, but Disney+ could handle a serialized show, a longer-frame thing than their current MCU shows. But could Wolverine show up in an MCU film? Sure. Storm would make an interesting addition to any future Black Panther stories; maybe she's Wakandan, maybe not, maybe she's making a play for the leadership and whoever the Panther is needs to find a way to deal with a living storm in a duel for the crown. They could even have background characters, if we assume there are to be more and more supers showing up over time; maybe in a big fight scene you don't have anyone called Cyclops or Scott Summers, but there's a dude in the background shooting an eyebeam that's obviously him.

    But the X-men? In the X-mansion? With Charles Xavier? Strong, massive doubts that it'll ever happen. There's little to explore, there, and their central allegory is dated and unnecessary. Not because bigotry's gone, but because we don't need to deal with it through the remove of allegory, we can just hash that out right in the open without needing to be coy about it.
    Dagnabbit I agree. At least as far as the movies go. The best scenario I can come up with is an alternate earth and, if you want to use the fox films as a base, timeline.

    But at its root I see the a problem. The X-Men start out as a group and that means when they act, they invariably act as a group. Imo that makes for scaling problems and weaker character development. Now imo a Disney+ series could work if they can come up with a fresh approach because Disney+ needs more arrows for its bow.
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  4. #11864
    Quote Originally Posted by JDL49 View Post
    Dagnabbit I agree. At least as far as the movies go. The best scenario I can come up with is an alternate earth and, if you want to use the fox films as a base, timeline.

    But at its root I see the a problem. The X-Men start out as a group and that means when they act, they invariably act as a group. Imo that makes for scaling problems and weaker character development. Now imo a Disney+ series could work if they can come up with a fresh approach because Disney+ needs more arrows for its bow.
    TBH, the group aspect makes them shallower characters. If you go by film alone, what do you really know about Cyclops, for example? My favorite X-Men from the movies was Nightcrawler, and that's because they did the tiniest peek into his background as a religious guy being tormented and thinking he was now imbued with some hellish mutation.

    A D+ series focused strongly on these characters as perhaps individuals finding each other out in the world, under the guidance of a newly cast Xavier might be just what the X-Men needs.

    I imagine in the MCU, if the X-Men aren't straight imports from another universe, some sort of multiversal energy might cause the Mutant X Gene, and an X-Men show can be about these people struggling with their new selves.

    Hell, the latest Eternals trailer mentioned something about an Emergence, which no one I've heard seems to know what that might be a reference to. Maybe it's the Emergence of the X-Gene, and it was caused directly by the Blip, as the trailer implies.

  5. #11865
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The thing with the MCU is, they're perfectly willing to deal directly with real racism, so there really isn't any need to use an allegory for racism to explore that issue. I don't think even using it as an allegory for LGBT issues, like the X-men films did, would even work today. Audiences will see the allegory, and today, they'll just think you're too chickenshit to deal with it openly. And rightly so.

    I honestly don't think the X-men are ever going to exist in the MCU. Characters from the X-men could certainly show up. Especially if we get more than one super-team going. That would likely overload the film space, but Disney+ could handle a serialized show, a longer-frame thing than their current MCU shows. But could Wolverine show up in an MCU film? Sure. Storm would make an interesting addition to any future Black Panther stories; maybe she's Wakandan, maybe not, maybe she's making a play for the leadership and whoever the Panther is needs to find a way to deal with a living storm in a duel for the crown. They could even have background characters, if we assume there are to be more and more supers showing up over time; maybe in a big fight scene you don't have anyone called Cyclops or Scott Summers, but there's a dude in the background shooting an eyebeam that's obviously him.

    But the X-men? In the X-mansion? With Charles Xavier? Strong, massive doubts that it'll ever happen. There's little to explore, there, and their central allegory is dated and unnecessary. Not because bigotry's gone, but because we don't need to deal with it through the remove of allegory, we can just hash that out right in the open without needing to be coy about it.
    i dont know, i think theres actually a lot they can pull from if they keep the x-men less world ending and more secular.

    focus on the school and the teaching and have their main priority be less racism and more activism. reaching out to disenfranchised mutant youths
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    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  6. #11866
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Falcon and the Winter Soldier says hello. Let’s see what Ms. Marvel does too! Hell, Black Panther. Do people pay attention to the actual plots ever?
    In this thread? No. A LOT of people don't, whine about the movies/shows, and despite showing otherwise, will still continue.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

  7. #11867
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I am fully aware of MCU plots, thank you very much:

    1. Skybeam.
    2. Big CGI army.
    You forgot to have a villain with the powers of the hero.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  8. #11868
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    You forgot to have a villain with the powers of the hero.
    Wait, are you suggesting there are other options for villains?

  9. #11869
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    You forgot to have a villain with the powers of the hero.
    First one must defeat the inner turmoil within themselves before they can boldly publicly declare they are a superhero by saying their name a loud
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

  10. #11870
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    People forget that Disney is the company that put out a movie with a man's chest being ripped open by the whirling blades of a robot.
    When and where did that happen??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Disney is fine witht keeping Deadpool in the R category. They may even branch off into other solo R-Rated films for other characters...but I would not count on them putting the X-Men Franchise as a whole into the R-Rated zone. And they don't really have to. There won't be much blood and Wolverine won't be dropping the F-Bomb...but he can still murder any soldiers than come to the X-Mansion looking for trouble.
    did Reynolds say he would only play Deadpool in R rated films, or did he say that the Deadpool centric movies had to be R rated? because I would lose my shit if he appeared in Spiderman: No Way Home

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    When and where did that happen??
    I can't place that one immediately, but Disney was behind Tarantino's early films, from Reservoir Dogs through Kill Bill.

    Seriously, people's idea that "Disney only does family-friendly stuff" is just objectively untrue.


  13. #11873
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    did Reynolds say he would only play Deadpool in R rated films, or did he say that the Deadpool centric movies had to be R rated? because I would lose my shit if he appeared in Spiderman: No Way Home
    I don't think he really said either of those things. I think he said that in his opinion Deadpool had to be R-Rated...not that he would simply refuse to play Deadpool if he wasn't.

    For myself, the Spider-Man/Deadpool thing only works if Deadpool has a Mancrush on Spider-Man.

    With Peter still being a teenager it makes scenes like this a lot more awkward:


  14. #11874
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Wait, are you suggesting there are other options for villains?
    Only if you're Spider-Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I am fully aware of MCU plots, thank you very much:

    1. Skybeam.
    2. Big CGI army.
    3. Hope is bleak, saved last minute.
    4. Hero progressively faces tougher challenges in proper ascending order

  16. #11876
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I don't think he really said either of those things. I think he said that in his opinion Deadpool had to be R-Rated...not that he would simply refuse to play Deadpool if he wasn't.
    Reynolds has a price for playing Deadpool at less than an "R" rating.

    And we already know that price is Deadpool tying up Fred Savage and reading him a story.

    Oh and he probably got some money too. Also there was charitable donations.
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  17. #11877
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
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    An R rating in the 70s or 80s was mostly a death knell for a film.
    What version of the 70's and 80's was that? It was the 70's that gave us films such as Alien, Taxi Driver, Animal House, The Exorcist, A Clockwork Orange, Blazing Saddles, The Godfather 1-2, Halloween, Carrie, Dog Day Afternoon, Shaft, The Deer Hunter, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dirty Harry, Apocalypse Now, Marathon Man, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Enter the Dragon, Mad Max, The Warriors, Deliverance...the 70's was the era when R-rated films really started taking off and being successful. And by the time the 80's rolled around, R-rated moves practically grew on trees, it was the era of the slasher movie, the muscle bound action heroes like Stallone, Arnold, and Norris, the Eddie Murphy comedy...TONS of major R-rated movies back then.

  18. #11878
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcall View Post
    What version of the 70's and 80's was that? It was the 70's that gave us films such as Alien, Taxi Driver, Animal House, The Exorcist, A Clockwork Orange, Blazing Saddles, The Godfather 1-2, Halloween, Carrie, Dog Day Afternoon, Shaft, The Deer Hunter, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dirty Harry, Apocalypse Now, Marathon Man, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Enter the Dragon, Mad Max, The Warriors, Deliverance...the 70's was the era when R-rated films really started taking off and being successful. And by the time the 80's rolled around, R-rated moves practically grew on trees, it was the era of the slasher movie, the muscle bound action heroes like Stallone, Arnold, and Norris, the Eddie Murphy comedy...TONS of major R-rated movies back then.
    The one thing the 80s did was give us PG13 where they could shoot for a middle ground. So it really has caused a lot of movies to tone done some aspects to meet that standard so they can get a PG13. In the 70s and early 80s it was either R or PG, which meant some PG movies your mom brought home had scenes that would be rated R today. I remember my mom bringing home movies titled stupid shit like The Invisible Boy that had full nudity in them. That one had a teenager sneaking into a girl’s locker room to show us a bunch of “high school” girls in the nude. Feels kinda problematic all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Reynolds has a price for playing Deadpool at less than an "R" rating.

    And we already know that price is Deadpool tying up Fred Savage and reading him a story.

    Oh and he probably got some money too. Also there was charitable donations.
    When I heard they were doing a PG rated Deadpool 2 I let out a groan… then I read the premise and yeah it was brilliant

  20. #11880
    Spider-Man defeats Superman to become most expensive comic book ever sold

    A copy of the 1962 comic Amazing Fantasy No. 15 was sold at Heritage Auctions Thursday for a whopping $3.6 million.

    Peter Parker and his alter ego Spider-Man made their debut in the comic book that was sold for 12 cents at the time.

    An Action Comics No. 1 that included the 1938 debut of the Man of Steel sold earlier this year for $3.25 million.

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