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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    That all falls apart because Thanos left his timeline to come to the main MCU Timeline and did not return, yet it did not change the current timeline.
    Thanos didn't jump universes. It's Thanos from the past of that same universe. There is no "leaving his timeline to come to a different timeline; he's from a different point on the same timeline.

    Even the only hole in multiverse theory in Endgame, Captain America waiting on the bench was explained by the Russos as him coming back to the main timeline at a different spot and time.
    I really don't care what the directors think. I care what the writers think, and how it fits with the rest of the canon. The directors are just wrong; Steve Rogers didn't go to a different timeline. That may have been uncertain before Loki, but it's clear after Loki.

    If you took away from the TVA scene that the 'TVA agent explicitly tell us that the Endgame time travel didn't violate their "one timeline" rules. ' then you misread the scene entirely.
    There was one Sacred Timeline, and no other timelines. That's an established fact, as of the Loki TV show. That's different after the events of that show, but covers everything that went beforehand in the MCU.

    The time travel in Endgame did not deviate anything away from that Sacred Timeline, nor did Steve staying behind in the past. That's all part of the Sacred Timeline.


    Edit: Also, before you ask "how can Thanos die twice if there's only one Thanos", welcome to recursion. There's a brief split in the timeline but both branches dive back in to the Sacred Timeline, and don't qualify as separate timelines proper. It's only a "branch" if the events lead to a divergence. This particular split doesn't, as both are critical and necessary points in the same timeline. Timelines aren't single unchanging paths, not when time travel exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Thanos didn't jump universes. It's Thanos from the past of that same universe. There is no "leaving his timeline to come to a different timeline; he's from a different point on the same timeline.
    Thanos leaving the past and going to the future, even from the same universe, would cause a branch in the timeline in the point of the past that he left.

    by their own rules, at least is how i understand things.
    I really don't care what the directors think. I care what the writers think, and how it fits with the rest of the canon. The directors are just wrong; Steve Rogers didn't go to a different timeline. That may have been uncertain before Loki, but it's clear after Loki.
    even going to the past of the same timeline would ultimately create a branch and a new timeline, just like any other, because the events would be different from what happened...

    unless they pruned those timelines after thanos left and let Steven live a long life then prune after he back

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    Hawkeye is fine for being a transitional show, they are obviously replacing the old guard for the next phase. My real issues are that it seems like they are setting Clint up to be offed in the series and he and Widow only got a show in order to replace them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Thanos leaving the past and going to the future, even from the same universe, would cause a branch in the timeline in the point of the past that he left.

    by their own rules, at least is how i understand things.
    It can't, because the branch it creates is the Sacred Timeline. And the older timeline ends at that moment, so there's no "second" timeline.

    Picture a tree, with a single major branch grafted in from where it grew lower on the tree, and the old trunk above that grafted branch cut off. It's still just one tree. One single path of growth from roots to highest point.

    Some of you seem to be operating under the idea that the Sacred Timeline is a natural flow: we know that isn't the case, it's highly artificial.

    even going to the past of the same timeline would ultimately create a branch and a new timeline, just like any other, because the events would be different from what happened...
    That doesn't follow, at all.

    Picture a river that splits, and then rejoins. Still one river.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Thanos leaving the past and going to the future, even from the same universe, would cause a branch in the timeline in the point of the past that he left.

    by their own rules, at least is how i understand things.


    even going to the past of the same timeline would ultimately create a branch and a new timeline, just like any other, because the events would be different from what happened...

    unless they pruned those timelines after thanos left and let Steven live a long life then prune after he back
    Or all those things were inherent to the sacred timeline and therefor didn’t create a branch. As per the TVA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Or all those things were inherent to the sacred timeline and therefor didn’t create a branch. As per the TVA.
    Like, people forget the Sacred Timeline iswas aggressively pruned.

    The future that would've existed without Thanos time-traveling forward does not exist. The Sacred Timeline always brought about that time-travel event that always created the post-Endgame future. The "natural" future is the branch that was pruned.

    That's what the Loki show established; that everything that happened did so due to TVA meddling, to bring about that precise conclusion, and no other branches exist. That's the canon. Everything has to be interpreted with that in mind, and if you draw conclusions that go against that, your reasoning is flawed somewhere.

    Not because "my reasoning is better" or something, but because the TVA stuff establishes that as a statement of canon fact, overtly. You'd have to argue that your headcanon is "more canon" than the actual canon, which isn't how things work. It doesn't matter if you think it's silly or really confusing or definitely not the simplest answer or option; that's what it is, and every explanation has to reflect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theangryone View Post
    Hawkeye is fine for being a transitional show, they are obviously replacing the old guard for the next phase. My real issues are that it seems like they are setting Clint up to be offed in the series and he and Widow only got a show in order to replace them
    Just think od both of the prijects as origins and how MCU irugins hit certain beats. Do yeah, he probably isbr going to make it to the end. He will be killed or rerired indefinitely.

    Im mire interested in all the Netflix heroes slowly being worked back in. The lockout period Disney had to honor wheb they left Netflix is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It can't, because the branch it creates is the Sacred Timeline. And the older timeline ends at that moment, so there's no "second" timeline.

    Picture a tree, with a single major branch grafted in from where it grew lower on the tree, and the old trunk above that grafted branch cut off. It's still just one tree. One single path of growth from roots to highest point.

    Some of you seem to be operating under the idea that the Sacred Timeline is a natural flow: we know that isn't the case, it's highly artificial.
    the thing is, it is showed that even the smallest changes can alter the "sacred timeline", and a lot of minor things cause new branches, i hardly believe that thanos absence in the past would not lead to a new branch, or, the branch that was created when he left can happen without hurting/changing the sacred timeline.

    we are parting that the presupposition that 1) Thanos absence in the past didn't create a branch, i doubt, 2) the branch created does not interfere with the sacred timeline, which i also doubt or 3) it was pruned after he left.

    To me, the only way that things make sense is if they pruned that one.

    That doesn't follow, at all.

    Picture a river that splits, and then rejoins. Still one river.
    but again, we are assuming Thanos absence in the past and Steven going back to the past would create the "same" sacred timeline, can't see that being a thing with how many changes in the timeline it would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the thing is, it is showed that even the smallest changes can alter the "sacred timeline", and a lot of minor things cause new branches, i hardly believe that thanos absence in the past would not lead to a new branch, or, the branch that was created when he left can happen without hurting/changing the sacred timeline.

    we are parting that the presupposition that 1) Thanos absence in the past didn't create a branch, i doubt, 2) the branch created does not interfere with the sacred timeline, which i also doubt or 3) it was pruned after he left.

    To me, the only way that things make sense is if they pruned that one.



    but again, we are assuming Thanos absence in the past and Steven going back to the past would create the "same" sacred timeline, can't see that being a thing with how many changes in the timeline it would be.
    If they deviate it creates a timeline to be pruned. Did you actually watch Loki or just come up with reasons to dislike it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Just think od both of the prijects as origins and how MCU irugins hit certain beats. Do yeah, he probably isbr going to make it to the end. He will be killed or rerired indefinitely.

    Im mire interested in all the Netflix heroes slowly being worked back in. The lockout period Disney had to honor wheb they left Netflix is over.
    The period varies by character. It’s 2 years from their cancellation. It does look like they should all be up by now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the thing is, it is showed that even the smallest changes can alter the "sacred timeline", and a lot of minor things cause new branches, i hardly believe that thanos absence in the past would not lead to a new branch, or, the branch that was created when he left can happen without hurting/changing the sacred timeline.
    Up until the end of the Loki series, which occurs after Endgame, this is not the case; there are constant small branches, and the TVA constantly prunes those branches, and no timelines other than the Sacred Timeline exist, at all.

    Again, this is explicitly stated. There are no other branches. They literally show us the timeline and state this outright; one trunk line, no branches. Everything that happened in Endgame was exactly how Kang needed it to happen, the whole time; it wasn't a shift away from the Sacred Timeline at all. That was the Sacred Timeline. The branch where Thanos doesn't travel forward in time doesn't exist, because it gets pruned.

    Or at least, didn't. We're talking pre-Loki. Post-Loki, all bets are off, but up through Endgame, this was the status quo.

    we are parting that the presupposition that 1) Thanos absence in the past didn't create a branch, i doubt, 2) the branch created does not interfere with the sacred timeline, which i also doubt or 3) it was pruned after he left.
    No presuppositions. We know for a determinable fact that it did not create a branch. Or at least, any branching that occurred was pruned by the TVA, leaving only the timeline we all saw in the actual films, time travel included.

    To me, the only way that things make sense is if they pruned that one.
    None of the above.

    4> Thanos was always supposed to travel to the future, and if it wasn't going to happen naturally, the TVA would have ensured it did happen, by pruning away every single instance where something else happened.

    That's what the TVA does. They take the absolute chaos of "everything that could possibly happen", and trim away every possibility except what Kang decrees is the "Sacred Timeline". Which can have however many kinks and recursions and loops as Kang says it needs to have.

    but again, we are assuming Thanos absence in the past and Steven going back to the past would create the "same" sacred timeline, can't see that being a thing with how many changes in the timeline it would be.
    The Sacred Timeline doesn't have to be a straight path that flows naturally. At all. Thanos isn't "absent" in the past. And Steve always went back for Carter. We see the former; that's the Infinity War bit. The latter, we don't, but that doesn't make it less true.

    It can't help but create the same "sacred" timeline, because again, there is only one timeline. It may recurve on itself at points, or have weird unnatural kinks, but there's never been anything natural about the timeline; it's always been a manicured garden created by Kang.

    Go back to the river analogy. Thanos's time jump is the river splitting; one branch is Thanos to Infinity War, the other rejoins the first about five years after that point; it's still one river, even if there's a stretch where there's two channels. Steve is a case where there's a pump that gathers some water, pumps it back uphill, and dumps it back into the river back upstream a ways. Still the same river, even if some of the water travels the course twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Up until the end of the Loki series, which occurs after Endgame, this is not the case; there are constant small branches, and the TVA constantly prunes those branches, and no timelines other than the Sacred Timeline exist, at all.

    Again, this is explicitly stated. There are no other branches. They literally show us the timeline and state this outright; one trunk line, no branches. Everything that happened in Endgame was exactly how Kang needed it to happen, the whole time; it wasn't a shift away from the Sacred Timeline at all. That was the Sacred Timeline. The branch where Thanos doesn't travel forward in time doesn't exist, because it gets pruned.

    Or at least, didn't. We're talking pre-Loki. Post-Loki, all bets are off, but up through Endgame, this was the status quo.



    No presuppositions. We know for a determinable fact that it did not create a branch. Or at least, any branching that occurred was pruned by the TVA, leaving only the timeline we all saw in the actual films, time travel included.



    None of the above.

    4> Thanos was always supposed to travel to the future, and if it wasn't going to happen naturally, the TVA would have ensured it did happen, by pruning away every single instance where something else happened.

    That's what the TVA does. They take the absolute chaos of "everything that could possibly happen", and trim away every possibility except what Kang decrees is the "Sacred Timeline". Which can have however many kinks and recursions and loops as Kang says it needs to have.



    The Sacred Timeline doesn't have to be a straight path that flows naturally. At all. Thanos isn't "absent" in the past. And Steve always went back for Carter. We see the former; that's the Infinity War bit. The latter, we don't, but that doesn't make it less true.

    It can't help but create the same "sacred" timeline, because again, there is only one timeline. It may recurve on itself at points, or have weird unnatural kinks, but there's never been anything natural about the timeline; it's always been a manicured garden created by Kang.

    Go back to the river analogy. Thanos's time jump is the river splitting; one branch is Thanos to Infinity War, the other rejoins the first about five years after that point; it's still one river, even if there's a stretch where there's two channels. Steve is a case where there's a pump that gathers some water, pumps it back uphill, and dumps it back into the river back upstream a ways. Still the same river, even if some of the water travels the course twice.
    It’s such a weird hang up on this issue. We see a single timeline in the MCU continuity even though it includes time travel. Why is it so hard to grasp that that timeline exists and requires that time travel to even do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s such a weird hang up on this issue. We see a single timeline in the MCU continuity even though it includes time travel. Why is it so hard to grasp that that timeline exists and requires that time travel to even do so?
    The weirdest thing about it, to me, is that time travel hypotheses aren't even clear on whether changing things can even happen. There's a whole interpretation of time travel where there's one timeline, and if you go back, you can't change anything, because whatever you try to do to change things already happened the first time around. If you go back and try and kill Hitler, you fail, for some reason. Who knows why? We just know you definitely fail, because Hitler didn't get killed by you. Time is immutable. All Loki did was establish that the MCU was a "time is mutable" universe that was being artificially regulated into a "time is immutable" universe, by the TVA. Which gets a little wonky, because the natural order and the artificial order are at odds, which is why sometimes there's a bit of a "slip", and you either get Variants or you get things like the two Thanos', where Thanos' future splits but both paths recombine into the same core timeline and thus don't represent an actual deviation of any futures; Infinity War always happens, and Endgame always happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The weirdest thing about it, to me, is that time travel hypotheses aren't even clear on whether changing things can even happen. There's a whole interpretation of time travel where there's one timeline, and if you go back, you can't change anything, because whatever you try to do to change things already happened the first time around. If you go back and try and kill Hitler, you fail, for some reason. Who knows why? We just know you definitely fail, because Hitler didn't get killed by you. Time is immutable. All Loki did was establish that the MCU was a "time is mutable" universe that was being artificially regulated into a "time is immutable" universe, by the TVA. Which gets a little wonky, because the natural order and the artificial order are at odds, which is why sometimes there's a bit of a "slip", and you either get Variants or you get things like the two Thanos', where Thanos' future splits but both paths recombine into the same core timeline and thus don't represent an actual deviation of any futures; Infinity War always happens, and Endgame always happens.
    Yeah, it depends on the branch you travel. Just because there may be another branch doesn’t invalidate the one they explicitly show us.

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    If the Thanos in the past of this same universe comes forward for Endgame, and that's all part of the Sacred Timeline, how come the past of characters like Cap and Tony exist where Thanos didn't jump forward from the past, gathered the Infinity Stones, and did the Snap?

    Because by the logic y'all are presenting, that timeline would be pruned for being the branch off of the part where Thanos jumps forward in time. Is the entire MCU up until Endgame not part of the Sacred Timeline? If not, why was there so much of it before it was pruned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    If the Thanos in the past of this same universe comes forward for Endgame, and that's all part of the Sacred Timeline, how come the past of characters like Cap and Tony exist where Thanos didn't jump forward from the past, gathered the Infinity Stones, and did the Snap?

    Because by the logic y'all are presenting, that timeline would be pruned for being the branch off of the part where Thanos jumps forward in time. Is the entire MCU up until Endgame not part of the Sacred Timeline? If not, why was there so much of it before it was pruned?
    Why would it be pruned?

    The only stuff that gets pruned is stuff that isn't part of the Sacred Timeline, and what defines that is "whatever the hell Kang wants".

    There's no real hiccups.

    1> At some point in the past, there's a Thanos Variant that was created and spent his time jumping forward to create the events in Endgame. This "variant" wasn't pruned by the TVA because his existence was intentional and necessary for the Sacred Timeline to take the path Kang needed it to take. Like, we know Variants pop off all the time; how many Lokis did we meet? There's clearly no issue with there being multiple versions of the same person around at the exact same time, or none of Loki's TV show made any sense. It's not even a TVA thing, because Loki and Sylvie don't have any complications (other than personal, at least, no timey-wimey stuff).

    2> Steve went back to some point in time with Carter, and he was always around the whole time since. He avoided involvement in the big picture because A> he knew it worked out, eventually, and any changes he made could change that, and B> any version of himself that did choose to get involved would get pruned as a Variant. They could reveal stuff he did in the background, however, without changing anything. Maybe he worked for a bit as Shield Agent Roger Steves or something; Carter could've cleared any background check stuff.

    Everything you see in the MCU is Sacred Timeline. That could mean there's more than one Thanos, if Kang says so. Because that's the other key point;

    3> None of this is natural and the only rules to any of it was "because Kang said so". The only reason variants get pruned is because Kang said so. The only reason branches are pruned is because Kang said so. So, if Kang said not to prune something, because that's part of the Sacred Timeline, it is. Because Kang said so.

    It's like the Elder Loki in the show; he lived on an asteroid for like 1000 years practicing magic and only got pruned when he decided to start doing shit that deviated from the Sacred Timeline. The branch Thanos makes to go to Endgame doesn't deviate from the Sacred Timeline at all; it's a major event that's absolutely necessary to the Sacred Timeline. There's no deviation, so no need to prune anything. That branch is like a solar flare; it dips out, jumps forward in time, and then joins back up with the core timeline, without creating a deviation that falls outside Kang's parameters (and indeed, Kang's probably responsible for it even happening in the first place).
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    If the Thanos in the past of this same universe comes forward for Endgame, and that's all part of the Sacred Timeline, how come the past of characters like Cap and Tony exist where Thanos didn't jump forward from the past, gathered the Infinity Stones, and did the Snap?

    Because by the logic y'all are presenting, that timeline would be pruned for being the branch off of the part where Thanos jumps forward in time. Is the entire MCU up until Endgame not part of the Sacred Timeline? If not, why was there so much of it before it was pruned?
    Because Tony’s snap made it so they never traveled in the first place. He left Gamora for Quill because he saw the absolute pain caused by losing her that caused them to lose in the first place. With the right mindset he could do anything, except maybe destroy the celestials, with that snap. That aside is yet to be truly explored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Why would it be pruned?

    The only stuff that gets pruned is stuff that isn't part of the Sacred Timeline, and what defines that is "whatever the hell Kang wants".

    There's no real hiccups.

    1> At some point in the past, there's a Thanos Variant that was created and spent his time jumping forward to create the events in Endgame. This "variant" wasn't pruned by the TVA because his existence was intentional and necessary for the Sacred Timeline to take the path Kang needed it to take. Like, we know Variants pop off all the time; how many Lokis did we meet? There's clearly no issue with there being multiple versions of the same person around at the exact same time, or none of Loki's TV show made any sense. It's not even a TVA thing, because Loki and Sylvie don't have any complications (other than personal, at least, no timey-wimey stuff).
    .
    I suppose the variant Thanos showing up for Endgame doesn't cause enough of a disruption (de facto, it can't, since it's part of the Sacred Timeline), and the continuing timeline from where he left is pruned? I guess it makes sense, though it doesn't make sense to me how two branches of Thanos's timeline existed in one timeline. The Steve thing isn't exactly analogous - Steve who goes into the past isn't a Variant....he's the future of Endgame Steve who just happens to be living in the past. Even though he's alive at the same time of himself in the ice (and the rest of the Cap timeline), the Cap in the ice is his past self. He still remembers the history of that Cap.

    Meanwhile, Thanos exists in two timelines at once. He is having two "present timelines" at the same time, from whenever the Nebula wires get crossed. Maybe it doesn't mean much in the course of things, because the one Thanos almost immediately decides to get killed within like a couple days, but it makes one question which one is "the real Thanos." The Thanos of the Snap, or the Thanos of Endgame? And what happens if you have two beings living their simultaneous present-timelines at the same time? What kind of instability does that lead to?

    Also, all the Loki variants we've met aren't branching selves of Tom Loki, they're Lokis which arose in different universe which branched long before, and are all pruned when things get too crazy. Miss Minutes offers to plug him back in to the matrix and make him win the Battle of New York, but that, again, would be a future self of Tom Loki that we've known, and not two Lokis existing parallel to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Because Tony’s snap made it so they never traveled in the first place. He left Gamora for Quill because he saw the absolute pain caused by losing her that caused them to lose in the first place. With the right mindset he could do anything, except maybe destroy the celestials, with that snap. That aside is yet to be truly explored.
    Wouldn't this require them to forget the happenings of the Snap? How would it be feasible for them to not have traveled at all post Tony-Snap? Are you saying Rocket/Thorl/Hawkeye/Hulk and all the others who went time travelling and survived Endgame won't remember their interdimensional time travel shenanigans? That doesn't seem to be true already - though I guess we haven't seen any of these characters post Tony's Snap except for his funeral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Up until the end of the Loki series, which occurs after Endgame, this is not the case; there are constant small branches, and the TVA constantly prunes those branches, and no timelines other than the Sacred Timeline exist, at all.
    exactly, again, this whole deal only make sense to me if they pruned the timeline created when thanos left, they never stated that, but is the only logical option.
    Again, this is explicitly stated. There are no other branches. They literally show us the timeline and state this outright; one trunk line, no branches. Everything that happened in Endgame was exactly how Kang needed it to happen, the whole time; it wasn't a shift away from the Sacred Timeline at all. That was the Sacred Timeline. The branch where Thanos doesn't travel forward in time doesn't exist, because it gets pruned.
    there is brances, but they prune then. Thanos absence(and steven goind to the past) would lead to new abranches who would need to be pruned.

    No presuppositions. We know for a determinable fact that it did not create a branch. Or at least, any branching that occurred was pruned by the TVA, leaving only the timeline we all saw in the actual films, time travel included.
    not creating new branches = bullshit

    creating one but quickly pruned = makes sense.

    4> Thanos was always supposed to travel to the future, and if it wasn't going to happen naturally, the TVA would have ensured it did happen, by pruning away every single instance where something else happened.
    Thanos was supposed to travel to the future so the sacred timeline remains, i can endure that.

    But the moment in time that he left ultimately should lead to a new branch that would be pruned

    The Sacred Timeline doesn't have to be a straight path that flows naturally. At all. Thanos isn't "absent" in the past. And Steve always went back for Carter. We see the former; that's the Infinity War bit. The latter, we don't, but that doesn't make it less true.
    Sacred timeline is a cicle, per loki, the thing is, i can't see steven going to the past, doing all the stuff he did, including changing the past and the events, spending so much time that he gets old, then going back to the future and the sacred timeline remaining fine and that not creating any branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    If they deviate it creates a timeline to be pruned. Did you actually watch Loki or just come up with reasons to dislike it?
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    you are not even understanding what i said ant to look that pretentious lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I suppose the variant Thanos showing up for Endgame doesn't cause enough of a disruption (de facto, it can't, since it's part of the Sacred Timeline), and the continuing timeline from where he left is pruned? I guess it makes sense, though it doesn't make sense to me how two branches of Thanos's timeline existed in one timeline. The Steve thing isn't exactly analogous - Steve who goes into the past isn't a Variant....he's the future of Endgame Steve who just happens to be living in the past. Even though he's alive at the same time of himself in the ice (and the rest of the Cap timeline), the Cap in the ice is his past self. He still remembers the history of that Cap.

    Meanwhile, Thanos exists in two timelines at once. He is having two "present timelines" at the same time, from whenever the Nebula wires get crossed. Maybe it doesn't mean much in the course of things, because the one Thanos almost immediately decides to get killed within like a couple days, but it makes one question which one is "the real Thanos." The Thanos of the Snap, or the Thanos of Endgame? And what happens if you have two beings living their simultaneous present-timelines at the same time? What kind of instability does that lead to?

    Also, all the Loki variants we've met aren't branching selves of Tom Loki, they're Lokis which arose in different universe which branched long before, and are all pruned when things get too crazy. Miss Minutes offers to plug him back in to the matrix and make him win the Battle of New York, but that, again, would be a future self of Tom Loki that we've known, and not two Lokis existing parallel to each other.

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    Wouldn't this require them to forget the happenings of the Snap? How would it be feasible for them to not have traveled at all post Tony-Snap? Are you saying Rocket/Thorl/Hawkeye/Hulk and all the others who went time travelling and survived Endgame won't remember their interdimensional time travel shenanigans? That doesn't seem to be true already - though I guess we haven't seen any of these characters post Tony's Snap except for his funeral.
    What? I was talking about Thanos’s group.

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