1. #12821
    Elemental Lord Milchshake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Javelin of Shitposts, Post-and-Forget
    Posts
    8,876
    Dude is just like poison. dunno why hollywood loves him so much.





    Hey remember that one time James Gunn said that Jared Leto tries to hook up with underage fans and nothing ever came of it

  2. #12822
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Dude is just like poison. dunno why hollywood loves him so much.
    I mean, not to defend Jared Leto here (cause it sounds like he's a creep), but he was far from being the only reason Suicide Squad sucked. And even though his Joker was, admittedly, awful, that's more on the Writer and Director than it is him.

    Haven't seen Morbius and probably won't until it's free for me...so I can't really comment on his performance... but it usually takes more than a single actor to get an RT score that low.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  3. #12823
    Morbius was pretty meh. For the love of god can we get away from the mirror match for origin stories. Also, that was the most hamfisted post credit scene I've ever seen.

  4. #12824
    Titan Orby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Essex, England
    Posts
    11,982
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "Very Disney" is a meaningless descriptor. It applies as much to, say, Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction as it does to anything else. Because yes; that was Disney.

    The dislike is entirely you. Which is fine, but you need to recognize it's a personal preference. Florence Pugh's Yelena is probably the most "that" of any character in the MCU, and she's easily one of my favorite new characters they've put out.
    Let me elaberate more on what I mean as I was a bit vague. When I saw 'too Disney' that's not necessarily an insult, more an observation on a style they use. Go look sat Encanto, Frozen, Moana, all awesome movies by the way, I love them all. But they have a certain 'feel' to them when it comes to their style of acting in those movies they all have a certain style of acting, once again its not bad, it suits the Disney animated feel, but I see a lot of it move over into Marvel movies too. Just look at the earlier Marvel movies to now, you could say 'well they found more of an identity' and sure in GotG that identity works, but Spider-Man and Thor is just seems very out of place, and Spider-Man can be pretty goofy int he comics, Spider-Man is fun and quippy, so it may work with him, but the comedy they use is very grating on me, as I said less Ned fucking Leeds might help, and you are right maybe it is just me, but it is something I feel just I have noticed, those that cannot see it I wish I couldn't. I just watched a lot of Disney so I pick up on these things. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post


    The X-men were always silly as balls, dude. I'm not saying they don't find ways to tell dramatic stories, but that applies across the board. They aren't the "darker tone" of Marvel. Go read some Moon Knight or Punisher.
    X-Men have had some silly moments, but their overall theme and tone is pretty dark, (sure not as dark and Punisher but still pretty heavy themes) God Loves Man Kills, Operation Zero Tolerance, Fatal Attractions, X-Tinction Agenda, Mutant Massacre, Necrosha, Old Man Logan, Deadly Genesis, Dark Phoenix , E is for Extinction (all off the top of my head).

    I been reading X-Men for over 30 years, aside from some breaks here and there. To say they have always been 'silly as balls' means you haven't been paying attention. Punisher especially has had a lot of silly moments too. Punisher is pretty goofy at times, Frankencastle anyone? Or the time Punisher went blackface? Punisher meets Archie? Yes X-Men have had some silly moments but don't then tell me to go read Punisher instead, come on... Comics in general are pretty silly, which is a true statement. Comics are dumb especially Marvel and DC and IDW to an extent. Nothing is sacred, but in terms of dark tones, X-Men is one of those in the darker category, not as dark as Punisher, true, but still pretty dark.

    But as I said, maybe I am wrong, maybe Disney will surprise me, but as a huge X-Men fan I will be super critical when it arrives. Just when Disney tries to handle racial or social issues... it never goes well. (most of the time).
    Last edited by Orby; 2022-04-01 at 11:38 AM.
    Proof is boring. Proof is tiresome. Proof is irrelevance. People would rather be handed an easy lie than search for a difficult truth, especially when it suits their own purpose.
    - Glokta
    The Last Argument of Kings, The First Law Trilogy.

  5. #12825
    Legendary!
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,126
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    while I share some sentiment with this, I will say Thor 2 was awful. But much respect for liking it. I like age of Ultron,and its come to attention now that everyone hates that movie now... so I understand :P

    I personally didn't have too much issue with the comedic side of Thor in Ragnarok ,it was something hey touched on in the first Thor movie, especially with the more fish out of water type of hero they had given him.

    My issue with Ragnarok wasnt really the comedic touch up of Thor, but more the theme of how comedic the Marvel movies have become since then. and I think we have GotG to thank for that mainly. Which worked for GotG, but Marvel are doing this thing now, and I see it in Thor, I saw it in Spiderman, and in GotG 2, the over use of comedy to break serious moments and add nothing, it's comedy for the sake of comedy. Once again it can work but with Marvel I feel they have gone too far into this very weird theme in their movies. I haven't watch all of the TV shows on Disney+ so I cannot speak for most of them, but the movies have felt really empty and hollow since Infinity War. But know that I am one of the few who is really not fond of the new Spiderman movies either. mainly because we are given WAY too much Ned Leeds than I would ever like.

    There's also a very snappy, witty, 'matter of a fact' attitude a lot of the characters have adopted in these movies, which makes a lot of the characters unlikable. They have become VERY Disney now. I am shocked they haven't started breaking into song yet.

    this is why I am worried with the X-Men coming to the MCU... They are going to make it too 'Disney'. I hope I am wrong, because X-Men needs to have a darker tone than most movies with a heavy emphasis on drama and its very hard hitting narrative on prejudge, which Disney can be pretty bad at handling.
    I mean to be fair, it's been more light hearted and humorous since Iron Man 1. I get what you're saying but we still have some pretty damn emotional moments where there is no humour; Aunt May and Tony Stark's deaths are 2 examples. Clint Barton's family just vanishing right in front of him. Don't forget too that we will almost certainly see another Deadpool movie and that is so far removed from what Disney normally is that it's not even funny (although it fucking will be). At some point Disney will realise that making money is their prime objective with the MCU and they will sit back and just let them (Marvel Entertainment) do what they do best.

    as for darker stuff, I mean we've seen them delve into that in Endgame, Spider-Man NWH, Hawkeye, WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier to name just a few. Moon Knight I will also tentatively add to that list because yeah it's obvious that something else is going on there; I don't know exactly when the series is set but I know the main character keeps making phone calls and leaving messages to someone (presumably his mother) but we never see him receive a call back. So either she recently died, or the show is set after the snap but before the return and she got snapped or maybe he got snapped and she died in the 5 years before he came back. either way, some dark stuff

  6. #12826
    Titan Orby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Essex, England
    Posts
    11,982
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    I mean to be fair, it's been more light hearted and humorous since Iron Man 1. I get what you're saying but we still have some pretty damn emotional moments where there is no humour; Aunt May and Tony Stark's deaths are 2 examples. Clint Barton's family just vanishing right in front of him. Don't forget too that we will almost certainly see another Deadpool movie and that is so far removed from what Disney normally is that it's not even funny (although it fucking will be). At some point Disney will realise that making money is their prime objective with the MCU and they will sit back and just let them (Marvel Entertainment) do what they do best.

    as for darker stuff, I mean we've seen them delve into that in Endgame, Spider-Man NWH, Hawkeye, WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier to name just a few. Moon Knight I will also tentatively add to that list because yeah it's obvious that something else is going on there; I don't know exactly when the series is set but I know the main character keeps making phone calls and leaving messages to someone (presumably his mother) but we never see him receive a call back. So either she recently died, or the show is set after the snap but before the return and she got snapped or maybe he got snapped and she died in the 5 years before he came back. either way, some dark stuff
    Outside of the Aunt May example the rest were pre End Game, when the Marvel movies were (at least to me) more enjoyable, My original post is talking about stuff 'post endgame'. Also the Aunt May death didn't affect me because I didn't like No Way Home as much as most, I mean I liked it, just not as much as everyone else, the movie pacing was weird, it had WAY too much Ned fucking Leeds, the dialogue was awful and Maguires and Garfields Parkers didn't feel like the originals. I have a full review of the movie somewhere here.
    Last edited by Orby; 2022-04-01 at 11:47 AM.
    Proof is boring. Proof is tiresome. Proof is irrelevance. People would rather be handed an easy lie than search for a difficult truth, especially when it suits their own purpose.
    - Glokta
    The Last Argument of Kings, The First Law Trilogy.

  7. #12827
    I wish more people knew when to just stop. If you incredibly clearly no longer enjoy a certain thing, why keep going back to it? I know people like to just watch things so they can go on to whinge about them (especially prevalent in this sub-forum), but surely there are other things people could do with their time that they'll actually enjoy.

  8. #12828
    The Insane Kathandira's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Ziltoidia 9
    Posts
    18,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Dude is just like poison. dunno why hollywood loves him so much.
    He is great in non-character roles. But in things like this, it just doesn't work.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Also, that was the most hamfisted post credit scene I've ever seen.
    With the recent news of Bruce's retirement, I don't think we'll see much of this. That or they will have to recast him. Or worse.......
    RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18

    Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.

  9. #12829
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    With the recent news of Bruce's retirement, I don't think we'll see much of this. That or they will have to recast him. Or worse.......
    "Bruce?" Who?

  10. #12830
    The Insane Kathandira's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Ziltoidia 9
    Posts
    18,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    "Bruce?" Who?
    OMG, I'm an idiot, lol. Was very early in the morning and I mistaked Michael Keaton and Bruce Willis LMAO!!!
    RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18

    Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.

  11. #12831
    Titan Orby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Essex, England
    Posts
    11,982
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I wish more people knew when to just stop. If you incredibly clearly no longer enjoy a certain thing, why keep going back to it? I know people like to just watch things so they can go on to whinge about them (especially prevalent in this sub-forum), but surely there are other things people could do with their time that they'll actually enjoy.
    Who said I am not enjoying it... I enjoyed Falcon and the Winter Solider, I liked Hawkeye and from what I have seen of Moon Knight so far is pretty good, I cannot wait for Multiverse of Madness, and despite feeling anxious about X-Men coming to the MCU I am still excited. This is a forum, its not just here to circle jerk your own point of view. I am allowed to have doubt and be critical about something that you think its perfect. Becuase not everyone is wired the same.

    Gonna share some hard facts with you. People can like and criticize something at the same time.
    Last edited by Orby; 2022-04-01 at 06:15 PM.
    Proof is boring. Proof is tiresome. Proof is irrelevance. People would rather be handed an easy lie than search for a difficult truth, especially when it suits their own purpose.
    - Glokta
    The Last Argument of Kings, The First Law Trilogy.

  12. #12832
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Gonna share some hard facts with you. People can like and criticize something at the same time.
    You can be smug and defensive about it if you want, but we've had this conversation about you not enjoying Marvel before, months and months ago. Its still the exact same thing.

  13. #12833
    Titan Orby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Essex, England
    Posts
    11,982
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You can be smug and defensive about it if you want, but we've had this conversation about you not enjoying Marvel before, months and months ago. Its still the exact same thing.
    Its really only the movies I am currently not enjoying, and there have only really been 4 in this phase. And out of those only Shang-Chi I remotely liked a little. That doesn't mean I am writing the MCU off completely. And I am allowed to share and discuss that here. This isn't your personal safe space for sunshine and positivity. Also this is a place that isn't just about the movies, its about the comics too which is why I have also posted here. Because despite what you assume I love Marvel comics.
    Proof is boring. Proof is tiresome. Proof is irrelevance. People would rather be handed an easy lie than search for a difficult truth, especially when it suits their own purpose.
    - Glokta
    The Last Argument of Kings, The First Law Trilogy.

  14. #12834
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    This isn't your personal safe space for sunshine and positivity.
    Nobody is looking for this lol Hell, I'm in that apparently small percentage of people that thought the first half of Endgame was boring AF.

  15. #12835
    Titan Orby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Essex, England
    Posts
    11,982
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Nobody is looking for this lol Hell, I'm in that apparently small percentage of people that thought the first half of Endgame was boring AF.
    And you know what you are entitled to think that. Although to be fair I agree with you there.
    Proof is boring. Proof is tiresome. Proof is irrelevance. People would rather be handed an easy lie than search for a difficult truth, especially when it suits their own purpose.
    - Glokta
    The Last Argument of Kings, The First Law Trilogy.

  16. #12836
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    I think Thor 2 was one of the better Marvel Movies. I think the low point was Ragnarok where Thor became more of a clown. It was a funny movie but it totally destroyed his character.
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Thor 2? As in the Dark World?? I've never seen anyone say it was even remotely good, let alone "one of the better Marvel movies". Meanwhile, I only really ever see praise for Ragnarok. How interesting.
    I both agree and disagree with @Yriel. I would have preferred Thor to have carried on with the epic/mystical side of things that Dark World attempted but done better, I didn't like the direction they took him in Ragnarok but have to admit it was a brilliant movie where they just managed to keep him amusing without making the character outright silly.

  17. #12837
    I Don't Work Here Endus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Ottawa, ON
    Posts
    72,148
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Let me elaberate more on what I mean as I was a bit vague. When I saw 'too Disney' that's not necessarily an insult, more an observation on a style they use. Go look sat Encanto, Frozen, Moana, all awesome movies by the way, I love them all. But they have a certain 'feel' to them when it comes to their style of acting in those movies they all have a certain style of acting, once again its not bad, it suits the Disney animated feel, but I see a lot of it move over into Marvel movies too. Just look at the earlier Marvel movies to now, you could say 'well they found more of an identity' and sure in GotG that identity works, but Spider-Man and Thor is just seems very out of place, and Spider-Man can be pretty goofy int he comics, Spider-Man is fun and quippy, so it may work with him, but the comedy they use is very grating on me, as I said less Ned fucking Leeds might help, and you are right maybe it is just me, but it is something I feel just I have noticed, those that cannot see it I wish I couldn't. I just watched a lot of Disney so I pick up on these things. :P
    And I'm gonna disagree that there's really any such similarity. There's been a pretty wide diversity of thematic approaches to MCU films, with a lot of them essentially taking on a subgenre; Captain America: Winter Soldier is a spy movie, fundamentally, GotG is a space opera, Ant-Man films are heist movies, etc. And Marvel has always had quippy heroes. Some more than most, yes, like Spider-Man, but they've all had light-hearted moments.

    And while there's a difference between, say, Thor 2 and the post-GotG era, that's largely because the earlier films were making tonal mistakes, which the later films largely corrected for (and for a counter-example, I present to you The Eternals, and why that film was loathed by audiences).

    X-Men have had some silly moments, but their overall theme and tone is pretty dark, (sure not as dark and Punisher but still pretty heavy themes) God Loves Man Kills, Operation Zero Tolerance, Fatal Attractions, X-Tinction Agenda, Mutant Massacre, Necrosha, Old Man Logan, Deadly Genesis, Dark Phoenix , E is for Extinction (all off the top of my head).
    Honestly, can't see it. Sure, there's world-ending stakes at times, and issues like racism front and center, but that kind of stuff is present in nearly all Marvel comics with heroes of that caliber, especially teams. It isn't so much that the themes aren't serious, it's that the content is still presented in a largely PG-13 meant-for-teens kind of approach, for the most part. Unlike, say, Moon Knight (and any spoilers here are from comics I'm not spoiling shit about the show), where for a while there was a major focus over his early nemesis, because Marc didn't just kill the guy, he cut his face off. And, like, kept it. And wore it on his own face sometimes. And was harassed for ages by the skinned-face image of the guy, because Khonsu was being a dick about it. Like, super-graphically. Like, I'm uncomfortable linking examples here because a mod might think it crosses a line even though it's a comic book.

    All Marvel comics get that dark, pretty much, unless it's specifically a light-heared one like Squirrel Girl. Hell, even some of those; ever read Nextwave?

    I don't see how the X-men stand out from the majority in this. At best, they're dealing with a wider scale, because they're a globe-hopping team, where some other comics like Daredevil will get really local and personal and focus on just one guy trying to live his life, but the level of darkness scales appropriately in those cases.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    I both agree and disagree with @Yriel. I would have preferred Thor to have carried on with the epic/mystical side of things that Dark World attempted but done better, I didn't like the direction they took him in Ragnarok but have to admit it was a brilliant movie where they just managed to keep him amusing without making the character outright silly.
    Honestly, Ragnarok somehow managed to make Thor's earnestness ring through while presenting the Cosmic universe itself as silly. Which fits really well with GotG. Thor's not really the butt of most of the jokes, and the few where he is it's mostly just showing how wacky everything around him is and how he's barely handling it. Seriously; Thor goes from happy-go-lucky-surfer-God to battle-tested storm god who's lost nearly everything and isn't gonna take it any more over the course of that film. It's jokey, but there's a lot of pathos in the mix there too.


  18. #12838
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post

    I don't see how the X-men stand out from the majority in this. At best, they're dealing with a wider scale, because they're a globe-hopping team, where some other comics like Daredevil will get really local and personal and focus on just one guy trying to live his life, but the level of darkness scales appropriately in those cases.
    Yeah, I would say that X-Men can get very heavy... but that's not the same thing as being dark. Like, more than any other mainstream Marvel or DC comic...x-men touches on social issues. Bigotry against Mutants being an intentional parallel to, at first, racism and later expanding to include all kinds of bigotry. They deal with the same level of threats as the Avengers, but at the end of the day the Avengers are mostly loved and supported and the X-Men are, at best, tolerated. But at the same time...the comics themselves are PG-13. Even when characters die...that's a temporary setback. It's even an in-universe joke that Mutant heaven has Revolving Doors instead of Pearly Gates.

    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  19. #12839
    With Marvel finally bringing the X-Men in, all I want is the Onslaught story done, is that too much to ask? I'm sure they can make it work.

  20. #12840
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    With Marvel finally bringing the X-Men in, all I want is the Onslaught story done, is that too much to ask? I'm sure they can make it work.
    That would be a looooong way away even if they were tempted. And it would probably have about as much to do with the comic version as "Age of Ultron" did with its.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •