1. #12841
    So...Moon Knight...anyone?

    Was a 40min build up episode...kinda weird...but i kinda like it.

  2. #12842
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadow View Post
    So...Moon Knight...anyone?

    Was a 40min build up episode...kinda weird...but i kinda like it.
    I predict the series will be overall very good...but will be somewhat brought down by a rushed final episode.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  3. #12843
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    With Marvel finally bringing the X-Men in, all I want is the Onslaught story done, is that too much to ask? I'm sure they can make it work.
    Anyone subbed to Marvel Unlimited? I took a break from comics during this time and always wanted to check out Onslaught, but reading anything that was at all a crossover when I was subbed was a mess. Wonder if they ever implemented a reading list or roadmap to the bigger events/series so people could catch back up easier.

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    The "Onslaught" crap wasn't all that good. But then I was only buying comics out of habit at that point and barely caring about the story anyway.

  5. #12845
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    Anyone subbed to Marvel Unlimited? I took a break from comics during this time and always wanted to check out Onslaught, but reading anything that was at all a crossover when I was subbed was a mess. Wonder if they ever implemented a reading list or roadmap to the bigger events/series so people could catch back up easier.
    There are reading guides...but it's still kind of a hassle. When you get to the end of a book...the prompt that comes up is for the next book in the series...not the next part of the crossover... so you have to go all the way to the reading guide. It doesn't make it impossible...just inconvenient.

    It would be nice to have a multi-choice prompt when appropriate. Something like "Click here to continue reading this series" and "Click here for the next part of the Event".
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    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    There are reading guides...but it's still kind of a hassle. When you get to the end of a book...the prompt that comes up is for the next book in the series...not the next part of the crossover... so you have to go all the way to the reading guide. It doesn't make it impossible...just inconvenient.

    It would be nice to have a multi-choice prompt when appropriate. Something like "Click here to continue reading this series" and "Click here for the next part of the Event".
    Stupid thing is they actually had something like this for a short period before removing it.

    Around the time all of secret empire was out I gave the event ago and there was a “next in event” pop up at the end of each issue that went into all the tie ins. But at some point between secret empire and war of the realms came out it was seemingly removed as I had to find every tie in manually again.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Stupid thing is they actually had something like this for a short period before removing it.

    Around the time all of secret empire was out I gave the event ago and there was a “next in event” pop up at the end of each issue that went into all the tie ins. But at some point between secret empire and war of the realms came out it was seemingly removed as I had to find every tie in manually again.
    Probably figured that it was going to be too much work for them to through every event...especially the ones with all the "unnumbered" tie ins. Or they were like "Well, some people don't want to read all the tie-ins...they just want to follow the main event."

    But yeah, must not have been around that long...because I was subbed during secret empire. I was just waiting for the whole thing to finish coming to MU before I started reading it.
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    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Probably figured that it was going to be too much work for them to through every event...especially the ones with all the "unnumbered" tie ins. Or they were like "Well, some people don't want to read all the tie-ins...they just want to follow the main event."

    But yeah, must not have been around that long...because I was subbed during secret empire. I was just waiting for the whole thing to finish coming to MU before I started reading it.
    Ya it was likely only out for like one update and then removed because I've never seen it for any any events before and I tied to find the function again for war of the realms but had no luck. It's a shame to because I only actual went through secret empire because of the ease as I wasn't really interested in the event it self.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  9. #12849
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    That would be a looooong way away even if they were tempted. And it would probably have about as much to do with the comic version as "Age of Ultron" did with its.
    Oh, I'd fully expect it to get some alterations and be years away, but I shall keep hold of my hope that it'll be adapted some day lol Onslaught and Knull, I'll take both at any point in my lifetime.

    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    Anyone subbed to Marvel Unlimited?
    I didn't even know this was a thing, tbh.

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    Theorizing that Marvel Knights series is coming:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Theorizing that Marvel Knights series is coming:

    Slight bit of misinformation in that video... Marvel didn't fully drop the CCA until 2001....not the 70's. They did, however, publish comics without the "Approved by the CCA" Seal of Approval whenever they felt it was appropriate. Also, the CCA revised it's restrictions a few times... which allowed for previously "banned" content to be published.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Yeah, I would say that X-Men can get very heavy... but that's not the same thing as being dark. Like, more than any other mainstream Marvel or DC comic...x-men touches on social issues. Bigotry against Mutants being an intentional parallel to, at first, racism and later expanding to include all kinds of bigotry. They deal with the same level of threats as the Avengers, but at the end of the day the Avengers are mostly loved and supported and the X-Men are, at best, tolerated. But at the same time...the comics themselves are PG-13. Even when characters die...that's a temporary setback. It's even an in-universe joke that Mutant heaven has Revolving Doors instead of Pearly Gates.

    One of the key things to remember is that Disney should not treat X-Men as heroes, at least like Avengers or Fantastic 4, they are just people fighting to survive in a world that fears and hates them... I hope Disney highlights this and separates it from being just another hero team. And I hope they never touch the Phoenix Saga again, like the Ben death in Spider-Man, lets forget that this time around. Only the aminated series seemed to have adapted that event well enough. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    One of the key things to remember is that Disney should not treat X-Men as heroes, at least like Avengers or Fantastic 4, they are just people fighting to survive in a world that fears and hates them... I hope Disney highlights this and separates it from being just another hero team. And I hope they never touch the Phoenix Saga again, like the Ben death in Spider-Man, lets forget that this time around. Only the aminated series seemed to have adapted that event well enough. xD
    They should absolutely treat the X-Men like heroes. They are heroes in a world that hates and fears them...which makes them even more heroic really. It's easy to be a hero when everyone loves you. Much harder when the people you save spit in your face.

    And the animated series didn't do Dark Phoenix well either. There's just too much there to do justice in a film or even an extended arc on a television show. If they ever want to revist it again...they should make it like an entire MCU Phase.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They should absolutely treat the X-Men like heroes. They are heroes in a world that hates and fears them...which makes them even more heroic really. It's easy to be a hero when everyone loves you. Much harder when the people you save spit in your face.
    Honestly, even there, what's the point? I'm not even sure the X-men have a reason to exist, in the MCU. Wanda is already the archetype filling the "hated and feared but heroic sometimes" bit. Superheroes in general, even, if you consider the Sokovia Accords and that whole schtick. There's not really a missing gap like that to fit the X-men in to address, in the first place.

    Honestly, it might be a cause to take the X-men in a fairly new direction; don't focus on the X-men. Focus on the Xavier Academy. The "X-men" are still the teachers, but teaching is their primary calling, and the heroing is more about protecting their charges from those who'd seek to exploit them than it is about saving the world (because the Avengers largely have that wrapped up). You could even say screw the comics and make all of them either Eternals or Inhumans or aliens, no "mutants" whatsoever; do we really need another origin that isn't that meaningfully different? It even provides a good explanation; your kid cocooned due to Terrigen? Let's get 'em into the program.

    And the animated series didn't do Dark Phoenix well either. There's just too much there to do justice in a film or even an extended arc on a television show. If they ever want to revist it again...they should make it like an entire MCU Phase.
    Phoenix shouldn't show up for at least 5+ years after the X-men. She should be their second major arc, if not later. That's largely why it keeps failing; they keep trying to rush it. If they're tried to do Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet in the first Avengers, it wouldn't have worked. Heck, why are we even doing Phoenix? Maybe just let that story be. It's really not that damned interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Honestly, even there, what's the point? I'm not even sure the X-men have a reason to exist, in the MCU. Wanda is already the archetype filling the "hated and feared but heroic sometimes" bit. Superheroes in general, even, if you consider the Sokovia Accords and that whole schtick. There's not really a missing gap like that to fit the X-men in to address, in the first place.
    I wouldn't consider the Sokovia accords to be even close to the same thing as the prejudice mutants face. Captain America was never "hated and feared"...hell, even after becoming a "war criminal"...his PSA's were still part of the High School Curriculum.

    Honestly, it might be a cause to take the X-men in a fairly new direction; don't focus on the X-men. Focus on the Xavier Academy. The "X-men" are still the teachers, but teaching is their primary calling, and the heroing is more about protecting their charges from those who'd seek to exploit them than it is about saving the world (because the Avengers largely have that wrapped up).
    I mean, I'd be very happy with a Disney+ series that was more focused on the school and the kids... but I'm not sure that makes a good movie series. "Wolverine teaches Gym Class" makes for a fun interlude in a movie... but it isn't the movie itself

    You could even say screw the comics and make all of them either Eternals or Inhumans or aliens, no "mutants" whatsoever; do we really need another origin that isn't that meaningfully different? It even provides a good explanation; your kid cocooned due to Terrigen? Let's get 'em into the program.
    They were trying to do that with Inhumans in the comics. They wanted to sideline mutants entirely... because they didn't want to give the fox movies and free advertising. Didn't work. Whatever the reason...Inhumans just don't hit home the way Mutants do...even to the non-comic readers.

    Heck, why are we even doing Phoenix? Maybe just let that story be. It's really not that damned interesting.
    That is what most people would call an "unpopular opinion". The Dark Phoenix Saga is considered by most X-fans to be among the greatest X-men Stories of all time. You won't find many "Best X-Men Story Arcs" lists that don't have it at least in the top 5. It's the reason they keep on trying to do it. The problem is they always want to rush it...and it's a slow burn. Like I said, if they wanted to devote an entire phase to it...that could be a thing... but this whole "let's do it all in a single movie while we're also dealing with this other thing" just doesn't work. Even in the animated series...they devoted 9 episodes to it...but, after you accoutn for commercial breaks...that still only works out to about 3 hours.... which is how long "The Batman" is.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They should absolutely treat the X-Men like heroes. They are heroes in a world that hates and fears them...which makes them even more heroic really. It's easy to be a hero when everyone loves you. Much harder when the people you save spit in your face.
    X-Men are heroes by convivence, If Disney treat them like just another hero team then it will suck, there is so much nuance to X-Men I'm pretty sure people don't get. Most of the time they treat and distance themselves from heroes or at least on how they are viewed because of the fact they are mutants. they don't choose to be heroes.

    also it depends on your writers for them I guess. Recently things may have changed I haven't read X-Men for 4 years. but I always like that scene post Civil War






    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And the animated series didn't do Dark Phoenix well either. There's just too much there to do justice in a film or even an extended arc on a television show. If they ever want to revist it again...they should make it like an entire MCU Phase.
    You don't have to like it but X-Men:TAS is the best adaptation of all the Phoenix Saga adaptations. Mainly because it carried itself over 2 seasons, let it breathe, let it develop. With a 2 hour movie will never have that, that's why all the other attempts have failed, they have tried to cram a 'saga' into one movie every time and its always suffered because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    also it depends on your writers for them I guess. Recently things may have changed I haven't read X-Men for 4 years. but I always like that scene post Civil War
    X-Men became such a shitshow later. The following panel was the reason why I stopped collecting or even caring about the title;



    I firmly believe that this was some a-hole's sad writing attempt at testing the waters to see if there was any fan support for redeeming Sabertooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    X-Men became such a shitshow later. The following panel was the reason why I stopped collecting or even caring about the title;



    I firmly believe that this was some a-hole's sad writing attempt at testing the waters to see if there was any fan support for redeeming Sabertooth.
    I am kinda getting sick at redemption angles in media. Its become a super popular trope lately... everyone has gotta be redeemed. Everyone has gotta have a reason, like no, some people are just pieces of shit! :P

    and a good redem,ption can be done well, but I have seen people be written to have done the worst things, and then writers be like 'hey let's redeem him'.

    Let's be honest its not the first time Sabretooth has become a 'good guy' but he's always been manipulative in his reasoning, you know he cannot be trusted. My favourite of these moment is in the early 90's when he tried fooling the x-men into thinking he was 'good' then went on a killing spree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    I am kinda getting sick at redemption angles in media. Its become a super popular trope lately... everyone has gotta be redeemed. Everyone has gotta have a reason, like no, some people are just pieces of shit! :P
    This was the early 90s. The title was branching in some rather expensive ways. Comic prices were spiking up, and some titles were at least 3x as much. ($1.25-$3.95) but crappy artwork and inconsistent stories made it all just a waste of money. And those shiny foil covers (A #1 ISSUE A COLLECTOR'S ITEM!!!1)...no. the comics industry and its implosion would be delayed by Image comics which seemed a fresh take on something stale. (Ironic to see Rob Liefeld in that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    This was the early 90s. The title was branching in some rather expensive ways. Comic prices were spiking up, and some titles were at least 3x as much. ($1.25-$3.95) but crappy artwork and inconsistent stories made it all just a waste of money. And those shiny foil covers (A #1 ISSUE A COLLECTOR'S ITEM!!!1)...no. the comics industry and its implosion would be delayed by Image comics which seemed a fresh take on something stale. (Ironic to see Rob Liefeld in that)
    Thats the problem with long running comics in general, different writers and editors invoke different narratives, noting is going to be consistent forever. There have ben some weird retcons and changes in comics and it always goes back around to the status quo eventually. alos yea the price hikes are just a reason why I go TPB these days

    I am not reading any big brand comics right now. As I said I gave up on DC and Marvel a long time ago. I been reading this fantasy comic that's called Elves



    It's translated from French, great artwork too, and its the most fun I have had reading a comic in years. they have others in the series, Orcs, Mage, and Dwarf... but I cannot find mnay French to English translated editions yet. The Elves series is the only complete series that's translated and complete.

    also I have a secret love of comics from France, probably why I loved Asterix as a kid. (regarding Asterix waiting in fear for that comic series to be on the 'cancelled' list soon. seeing some of the very, shall we say, interesting artistic interpretations of certain groups.)
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