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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Oh you sweet summer child...u think after the black widow outcry they would do butt-naked jane foster?

    Yeah, we have had naked people, both sexes before, congrats sherlock! You are a master of your craft!

    The point is that outrage is selective. The loudmouths about black widow are now silent. Don't preach right n wrong n be selective about it. Either apply ur stance on everything, or shut the fuck up is my point.
    again, you have proven to have zero sense of humour, or even the basic understanding of what humour is. enjoy your time on my ignore list, bye!

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    What "Black Widow outcry" do you even think you're talking about? The only scene I can think of that's even remotely analogous to this is Happy ogling her in the car while she was changing on the way to Justin Hammer's place. Or do you somehow think a scene like this one in the Thor trailer is comparable to randomly having her ass in a skin-tight suit center frame as she walks into the scene for...no reason other than to have her ass center frame in a skin-tight suit?

    I have no idea what you're trying to accomplished being by outraged about the hypothetical outrage that would happen if there was a scene involving some woman's naked ass in an MCU movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I understand that if it was jane foster butt-naked, twitter would have a meltdown n screech cancellation.
    So, no, you don't actually understand why it isn't an issue. Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    you don't get humour at all, do you? you don't understand that it was a complete piss take? a reversal of the standard fare when men ogle a naked woman, this time it's women ogling a naked man? do the terms 'irony' and 'satire' mean anything to you?
    This is where my comment before was directed, this doesn't really have anything to do with the plot or the universe, it's just for the audience to laugh at, ogle, debate, hate, whatever. Ragnarok had similar, and it's Taika's style, the sort of absurdist style that a lot of sit coms go for. Where in Thor 1 he was acting as Thor, and the comedy moments were from that fish-out-of-water interaction, now the universe is a series of jokes and it's sort of meh to me. I liked the rock guy in Ragnarok, he was funny, but I didn't like the movie overall.

    also if the roles were reversed and it was Jane there instead of Thor, then again it would be done in a humourous way! what, do you think that there isn't going to be any nudity again? in any film for ever and ever? Get a grip dude. There wasn't a twitter meltdown after The Boys Herogasm episode was there? so why would there be one if your scenario happened.
    It's perfectly fine if folks don't want nudity in their superhero movies, they have the right to complain about it and they have the right to not watch it and/or boycott the rest of the series. Hell, I watched one episode of The Boyz and thought it was dumb and bad and moved on with life. Opposite is also fine, if folks want superhero porn, go for. Or, obviously somewhere in between, with folks deciding how much nudity/ sex is appropriate for any given production. It would be nice if folks could do it without asserting that their opinions are facts or calling folks names, but this is the internet so I guess it's just the way things work now.
    I do find it humorous that folks think the Black Widow's sexualization was not in character and appropriate, while not caring about all the skin tight suits the men are wearing around her, but that's like, their opinion man.
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    I'm sure there's plenty of serious scholarship out there on the eroticism of superhero comic aesthetics. I could squeeze out two, three papers on that easy, without even knowing anything about the subject. Writes itself.

    But that's not really the point here. This is a comedic scene. It's MEANT to be ridiculous, and to poke fun at stereotypical reactions to nudity, and the way gender plays into that. It's a self-aware, self-referential JOKE. Nothing more, but also nothing less. It fits perfectly well with the director's style, and the character's personality.

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    Most of the mcu is comedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    This is where my comment before was directed, this doesn't really have anything to do with the plot or the universe, it's just for the audience to laugh at, ogle, debate, hate, whatever. Ragnarok had similar, and it's Taika's style, the sort of absurdist style that a lot of sit coms go for. Where in Thor 1 he was acting as Thor, and the comedy moments were from that fish-out-of-water interaction, now the universe is a series of jokes and it's sort of meh to me. I liked the rock guy in Ragnarok, he was funny, but I didn't like the movie overall.


    It's perfectly fine if folks don't want nudity in their superhero movies, they have the right to complain about it and they have the right to not watch it and/or boycott the rest of the series. Hell, I watched one episode of The Boyz and thought it was dumb and bad and moved on with life. Opposite is also fine, if folks want superhero porn, go for. Or, obviously somewhere in between, with folks deciding how much nudity/ sex is appropriate for any given production. It would be nice if folks could do it without asserting that their opinions are facts or calling folks names, but this is the internet so I guess it's just the way things work now.
    I do find it humorous that folks think the Black Widow's sexualization was not in character and appropriate, while not caring about all the skin tight suits the men are wearing around her, but that's like, their opinion man.
    You are aware that Thor isn't in a different universe than everything else, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Lol all these people making shitty excuses
    "well male gaze bad, therefore th female gaze is ok"
    and "sure he is butt-naked, but still wearing stuff on OTHER part of body, so clearly not nekkid!11"
    "oogling while eating grapes like its Roman times not objectifying...clearly they were focusing on the tapestries! That's why they were eating grapes like it was popcorn!"

    The point is that the people who screech about 'the ewul male gaze!' are very silent about the thor scene, hypocrite much?

    I mean, is there really a problem though? Like seriously. Do men really feel objectified by women? Like, honest question here. I personally feel there should be a bit of both. It's a movie so, who cares? And if you go outside you'd see tons of people from both sexes wearing tight sexy clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I understand that if it was jane foster butt-naked, twitter would have a meltdown n screech cancellation.
    Let me guess; you think Blazing Saddles was celebrating white supremacism, don't you? You're seriously this incapable of grasping satire?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    'for the audience' you meant to say the female gaze, while eating grapes, that is very sexist n objectifying af
    You wouldn't handwave this thing if the roles were reversed.

    Except this scene here is applied for comical purposes not sexualization. The naked form in itself is not sexualization its how its used in context. Nuance and intention should be recognised here.

    Also male gaze is fine, no one is complaining about taking away women looking sexy. They still exist. They are just asking for some respect and control when its done.

    Also lets not forget that Thor: Ragnarok is directed by a man here, not a woman. How many movies with women being badly sexualized are directed by woman?

    Please stop watching grifting man children on youtube and think and educate yourself please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I understand that if it was jane foster butt-naked, twitter would have a meltdown n screech cancellation.
    Again technically not marvel, but we had stuff like this for years and there was no mass screeching.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Again technically not marvel, but we had stuff like this for years and there was no mass screeching.



    To be fair, atleast both of these made sense with the background of these characters, and atleast for Mystique it wasn't done as a "lol butt joke".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    To be fair, atleast both of these made sense with the background of these characters, and atleast for Mystique it wasn't done as a "lol butt joke".
    In mystique's case sure but for Su its obviously just a fan service scene that doesn't add any thing else much like the thor one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    In mystique's case sure but for Su its obviously just a fan service scene that doesn't add any thing else much like the thor one.
    The Fantastic Four one felt out of place to me, but it was a different internet back then. I'm sure someone complained about it, but we didn't have to discuss anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    The Fantastic Four one felt out of place to me, but it was a different internet back then. I'm sure someone complained about it, but we didn't have to discuss anything.
    While I’m sure the amount of people who complained are above zero I’d also be willing to bet there are more people upset about thor and it being a double standard then ever cared about the older movies doing the same to woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    While I’m sure the amount of people who complained are above zero I’d also be willing to bet there are more people upset about thor and it being a double standard then ever cared about the older movies doing the same to woman.
    Hard to judge, everything is the end of the world nowadays. Outside of a couple places on the internet, I've heard nothing about Thor's ass.
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    Taron Egerton confirms he is in talks with Marvel about playing young Wolverin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Taron Egerton confirms he is in talks with Marvel about playing young Wolverin.
    Haha I wouldn't call him "young" Wolverine" but rather "616 Wolverine". But yeah, would be awesome to have a WW2 story with Cap and Logan teaming up as an introduction to him. Could even introduce the Alpha Flight there.

    Speaking about a canadian superhero team - I really hope they introduce more country specific teams next phase. Thunderbolts for America (already confirmed), Excalibur für Great Britain (just give me Betsy as Captain Britain), Big Hero Six for Japan (I saw the movie yesterday and I would love a MCU take on them). Not sure how to handle the Winter Guard with the current political climate though. Maybe make them clearly independend of russian goverment or even have them fight corrupt people there? Actually, that would be quite good .... send the Red Guardian!

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    Taron Egerton confirms he is in talks with Marvel about playing young Wolverin.
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