Psionic and Bard Classes - Would you like to see these?

[Al Gorefiend]

People who aren't sold on Tinker need to rethink what a Tinker could possibly be. Even if the name sucks... A commando, gun-wielding-bomb-throwing-trap-laying DPS class would be awesome.

A Hunter without the pet, poisons, aspects and animal references. Then throw in bombs, tripwire, dual-wielding ranged weapons and unloading a barrage of bullets smoking a cigar.

Yeah, I want that.

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I've always hated the bard. So there's an epic battle going on, warriors hold the enemy off in the front line, mages rain destruction from above, scorching bodies by dozens, clerics heal the wounded and resurrect the fallen... and then there's this fucker who just stands there playing a fucking lute. A "jack of all trades", who equally sucks at everything, irritating by his freaking music on the battlefield where everybody else is actually being productive.

As for psionics, no. We've got shadowpriests to do the mental stuff.

And it was always a halfling, just prancing around and shit.

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I know they originally had an ability that dealt damage through protective shields equal to the defense the shield would have provided. I was super stoked to try it on Kaelthas.

A spell breaker type class would be super cool, and there's plenty of ways to go with it, so I do hope one makes it into the game eventually.

Anything but another melee class.... *looks at Demon Hunter*

[Teriz]

Threads like these simply showcase why the Tinker is the most likely future class.

Rangers= Covered by Hunters
Demon Hunters= More likely a Warlock spec
Bards= No history in the Warcraft universe
Psions= Shadow Priests
Dragonsworn= Covered by multiple classes
Spell breakers= Covered by Mages and other classes. Blizzard eliminated resource damaging from game

Tinker is all we have left.

[Deleted]

Threads like these simply showcase why the Tinker is the most likely future class.

Rangers= Covered by Hunters
Demon Hunters= More likely a Warlock spec
Bards= No history in the Warcraft universe
Psions= Shadow Priests
Dragonsworn= Covered by multiple classes
Spell breakers= Covered by Mages and other classes. Blizzard eliminated resource damaging from game

Tinker is all we have left.

any melee spec of tinker will be covered by already existing melee classes. The mechanics will be the same only resource bar will have different color.
I can see technology based spec on future ranged class but there would be freaking hard to find place for another melee class.
and hybrid class that would use ranged in one spec, 1H, 2H and maybe even shields would be nightmare for looting... and thats also why DH as 4th warlock melee spec would be awful :/.

real petless marksman hunter(not only at 100 lvl) maybe supported by magic as you said about Naga witches... + ranged rogue + bombing techno gunner
and here we go.

[Sukhoi]

Threads like these simply showcase why the Tinker is the most likely future class.

Rangers= Covered by Hunters
Demon Hunters= More likely a Warlock spec
Bards= No history in the Warcraft universe
Psions= Shadow Priests
Dragonsworn= Covered by multiple classes
Spell breakers= Covered by Mages and other classes. Blizzard eliminated resource damaging from game

Tinker is all we have left.

oh my god go away

[Deleted]

Adding more WoW classes is always a very hard thing to do... Lore wise, balance or just the fact that you already got so much classes that got tiny bits from other possible classes..

I answered "no" in this poll, but Im not against more classes.
Bard doesn't have a space in WoW universe.
Psionic is mostly covered by Shadow priest.

Im really looking forward if they pull a meaningful Class into WoW again !

[Teriz]

any melee spec of tinker will be covered by already existing melee classes. The mechanics will be the same only resource bar will have different color.

Not if the mechanics are based around repairing the technology while in combat. For example, while you're taking damage, some of the damage is distributed to your mech, causing some of the mech's abilities or benefits to fail if the device becomes too heavily damaged.

Another method would be to make a ranged/melee hybrid similar to the Engineer in Torchlight 2. A class that can excel at either range, only limited to the weapon they have on them at the time. One concept I thought would be cool would be for the Tinkerer to "tinker" with the weapons they equip, transforming them into more technological-based weaponry. So a staff or mace could be transformed into something like Gelbin is holding in this picture;



Or a rifle (gun) could be transformed into a more advanced firearm.

I can see technology based spec on future ranged class but there would be freaking hard to find place for another melee class.
and hybrid class that would use ranged in one spec, 1H, 2H and maybe even shields would be nightmare for looting... and thats also why DH as 4th warlock melee spec would be awful :/.

I would say Melee only if there's a tanking spec. If its DPS/DPS/Heal, then there's no need for melee at all. The physical ranged could originate from the mech, or could be based around turrets or pets. That staff that Gelbin is holding could operate the same way a Wand would.

In the end, there's a ton of things you can do with a technology class.

[Sukhoi]

This isnt a tinker thread. Crawl back in your hole.

[ro9ue]

The Death Knight handles the Necromancer theme. There's no design space for such a class in WoW.

Yes there is. See Paladin and Priest. Same exact situation with Holy Magics. If anything, the Warlock as a dark caster/minion class impedes on a Necromancer, not the DK.

Also, love Bards and "Enchanter/Mesmer" classes. WoW needs 1.

Rift and EQ1 did the best Bards.

Also:

Pandas once an April Fools joke.
Playable Pandaren.

Bard once and April Fools joke.
...........MAYBE

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Voted Bard because its most classic, yet still interesting.

Enough of this modern Van Helsing, Demon Hunter crap, it doesnt belong here.

[PureGenius]

Not if the mechanics are based around repairing the technology while in combat. For example, while you're taking damage, some of the damage is distributed to your mech, causing some of the mech's abilities or benefits to fail if the device becomes too heavily damaged.

Another method would be to make a ranged/melee hybrid similar to the Engineer in Torchlight 2. A class that can excel at either range, only limited to the weapon they have on them at the time. One concept I thought would be cool would be for the Tinkerer to "tinker" with the weapons they equip, transforming them into more technological-based weaponry. So a staff or mace could be transformed into something like Gelbin is holding in this picture;



Or a rifle (gun) could be transformed into a more advanced firearm.



I would say Melee only if there's a tanking spec. If its DPS/DPS/Heal, then there's no need for melee at all. The physical ranged could originate from the mech, or could be based around turrets or pets. That staff that Gelbin is holding could operate the same way a Wand would.

In the end, there's a ton of things you can do with a technology class.

All of which sounds utterly terrible. WoW does not need a technology class.

[ro9ue]

I've always hated the bard. So there's an epic battle going on, warriors hold the enemy off in the front line, mages rain destruction from above, scorching bodies by dozens, clerics heal the wounded and resurrect the fallen... and then there's this fucker who just stands there playing a fucking lute. A "jack of all trades", who equally sucks at everything, irritating by his freaking music on the battlefield where everybody else is actually being productive.

I'd like to see a tougher Bard. While I agree Bards in other MMOs up until this point have been just dancing around strumming their lutes and shit trying to 'mesmerize' opponents, I'd like to see a grittier one. I can picture a large orc with two war drums at his side, hammering out badass rhythms to amp up his allies. There have been a lot of uses for music to boost morale in war, not just Johnny Harp strumming away to charm a snake.

[Teriz]

All of which sounds utterly terrible. WoW does not need a technology class.

Fortunately you'll have 11 other classes to appeal to your tastes.

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Yes there is. See Paladin and Priest. Same exact situation with Holy Magics. If anything, the Warlock as a dark caster/minion class impedes on a Necromancer, not the DK.

Priest use Shadow magic for DPS. Paladins don't use Shadow at all.

Death Knights use the exact same magic as Necromancers. Also the whole purpose behind Necromancers is raising the dead and spreading disease. Death Knights already cover that. Additionally, DKs have a lot of ranged spells to boot.

What would Necros bring that's different from DKs?

[hrugner]

...dual-wielding ranged weapons and unloading a barrage of bullets smoking a cigar.

You'd think the bad ass cigar smoking types would be more common in WoW since all the negative effects of smoking are one global cooldown away from a cure.

Anything but another melee class.... *looks at Demon Hunter*

Yeah, that is probably the biggest problem with that class. Way too many melee classes, but I don't really know if a class entirely ranged is all that cool either. I mention in most threads like this how I'd like to see a class that had resource restrictions that forced them to spend time in both melee and ranged positions during a combat. Who knows if it will ever happen.

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I'd like to see a tougher Bard. While I agree Bards in other MMOs up until this point have been just dancing around strumming their lutes and shit trying to 'mesmerize' opponents, I'd like to see a grittier one. I can picture a large orc with two war drums at his side, hammering out badass rhythms to amp up his allies. There have been a lot of uses for music to boost morale in war, not just Johnny Harp strumming away to charm a snake.

Yes please. I prefer the Skald to the bard concept hands down.

[Traveler Voltin]

there are 16 melee specs and 17 ranged specs in game currently.
so the next class should have 2 melee specs and 1 range.

that would put it at 18 melee specs and 18 ranged specs.

my vote is still demon hunter.

[AbalDarkwind]

As many have said, Psionics are simply Shadow Priests. They'd be so mechanically similar that I doubt there would be much difference. Not to mention that Psionics are found no where in WoW lore outside of Shadow Priests (Or Shadowmages, for NPCs).

As for Bards, I actually think many people are ignoring a piece of lore that suggests that Bards could be a playable class one day:

http://wowpedia.org/Tauren_Chieftans

Not only do they exist in-game, but the ETC is going to be a playable character in Heroes of the Storm. That suggests a template to make into a class, much like the Death Knight and Brewmaster from WCIII were templates for the DK and Monk classes in WoW.

To throw in my opinion on some other classes that have been mentioned:

Demon Hunter - I could see this as a fourth spec for Warlocks, but considering how people have been clamoring for them, they've gained more prominence in several Cataclysm quests, and they have a new template to work off of thanks to Illidan's inclusion in HotS, I'd say they're likely to show up in a Burning Legion themed expansion as a new Hero class.

Rangers - Fairly well covered by the Hunter class, although I could possibly see a Dark Ranger class, or fourth Hunter spec, with charms and poisons.

Spellbreakers - I feel a Demon Hunter spec or class would likely be integrated with Spellbreaker abilities rather than us seeing a whole class built out of them. I could see them as a fourth Mage spec, however.

Dragonsworn - Possible, although I'd imagine we're more likely to see a Draconic race (Such as Drakkonids) over a Draconic-themed class.

Tinkers - Considering that we're getting a new template for them through Gazlowe in HotS, I'd say it's likely we'll see them as a class, either standard or Hero.

Necromancers - I feel that the Death Knight and Warlock classes cover a Necromancer fairly well, but I could maybe see them as a class that uses hordes of minions, flesh crafting, and decay-style spells. Although I feel it's unlikely, I won't count it out as a possibility in a Return of the Lich King expansion, possibly as a standard class.

Runemasters - With the Monk being a class, and the Death Knights already using the rune resource system, I feel these are even less likely than a Necromancer class. They'd be mechanically almost identical to Monks with Death Knight runes; not to mention that the vast majority of their lore is confined to the now-defunct Warcraft pen-and-paper RPG. I'd say these are the least likely candidate for a new class.

Timewalkers - Considering they've been given three to four distinct roles already (Warden, Weaver, Watcher, and possibly Historian), I'd bet that this will be the next Hero class that's added to the game.

[Bosen]

I appreciate all of the ideas and comments, guys.

The Shadow Priest/Psionic comparison makes sense. I wish there were yet another Glyph to get rid of the Purple tint of Shadow Form completely and maybe different color spells.

I though maybe new lore could be created for Psionics that originated in Argus.

I don't think Bard lore would be very difficult to put within the game. Maybe we find some ancient instruments with magical properties in Archeology.

[Traveler Voltin]

I appreciate all of the ideas and comments, guys.

The Shadow Priest/Psionic comparison makes sense. I wish there were yet another Glyph to get rid of the Purple tint of Shadow Form completely and maybe different color spells.

I though maybe new lore could be created for Psionics that originated in Argus.

I don't think Bard lore would be very difficult to put within the game. Maybe we find some ancient instruments with magical properties in Archeology.

there are no bards in WoW and currently blizzard hates the idea of a pure support class. they also thing people will find bards too boring.

[Bosen]

there are no bards in WoW and currently blizzard hates the idea of a pure support class. they also thing people will find bards too boring.

I don't want them to be a support class as some people think they have to be or something. I'm thinking DPS, Healing and Tank based on instrument.

[Haven]

I'd like to see a tougher Bard. While I agree Bards in other MMOs up until this point have been just dancing around strumming their lutes and shit trying to 'mesmerize' opponents, I'd like to see a grittier one. I can picture a large orc with two war drums at his side, hammering out badass rhythms to amp up his allies. There have been a lot of uses for music to boost morale in war, not just Johnny Harp strumming away to charm a snake.

But the point still stands. There's always a better way to contribute to battle than playing music. Like, take a sword and try to actually harm the enemy instead of making up rhymes about his mother and what she was doing in Stonebury Hollow.

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But the point still stands. There's always a better way to contribute to battle than playing music. Like, take a sword and try to actually harm the enemy instead of making up rhymes about his mother and what she was doing in Stonebury Hollow.

ooooh c'mon sexy young elven cheerleader singing and dancing would do better job than trying to fight!