New models with some different faces

[Venziir]

My character won't look anything even remotely close to what he does now in the game. This is a valid concern. Please remove your off topic, homophobic shit from an otherwise productive thread.

Since the new models, and thus the new faces, aren't 100% done yet - you have no idea of whether it'll look remotely close to your current character or not. So that's nonsense. Oh and you can always just disable the new models.

[Grinresh]

That's not what you said. You said blue eyes, small lips, mild eyebrows, innocent expression. All of those things are there. If you want something that looks exactly like your Priest, well you're being unreasonable. We all knew they where never going to exactly recreate the old faces.

There is demonstrably not a blue eyed option.

[Luko]

That's not what you said. You said blue eyes, small lips, mild eyebrows, innocent expression. All of those things are there. If you want something that looks exactly like your Priest, well you're being unreasonable. We all knew they where never going to exactly recreate the old faces.

All of the new face(s) are smiling all of the time. Her character is does not currently have a smiling face. Please, could we cut back with the semantics a little bit and admit that her concern is a real one. It's got nothing to do with high standards, it's about logging in one day and having a totally different character as opposed to a similar face with updated textures.

[Deleted]

Yes they could. Will they though?



Eeeextremely unlikely.

To anyone concerned they won't overhaul, I point to male worgen. Their design did a 180 from lion-men to wolf-men. Don't look at female worgen though, they went from wolf-women to bat-rat-dog-googly eyed-women.

[The Hero of Legend]

Well, now is the proper time to be pointing out that they need to fix their damn eye colors. It's such a simple fix, I really hope they get around to it before release.

I agree, we gotta voice this stuff now before it's too late.

[mistahwilshire]

The faces look plenty different to me. Maybe I'm just easy to please, or maybe I've never looked at the face of anyone's character in the 9 years I've been playing this game.

Regardless they look much better and far more varied than the originals.

[Luko]

Since the new models, and thus the new faces, aren't 100% done yet - you have no idea of whether it'll look remotely close to your current character or not. So that's nonsense. Oh and you can always just disable the new models.

There is currently a "new" face for each existing face in the game. Of course I'm not going to sit here and get in a futile argument with someone preaching "Alpha! Alpha! I could change!" Of course it could change and I'm OBVIOUSLY hoping it does. In reality however we've seen SO much shit go completely unchanged and make it to game regardless of public outcry. It's not unreasonable to be expressing a valid concern for something they've been working on for months.

At any rate, I've been one of the loudest voices for these new models for the last decade and I'm finally getting what I've wanted for so long. I'm definitely not going to disable the option. I knew the face wouldn't be 100% the same, I just didn't think I'd be staring at a character with a completely different expression on their face that looks like a completely different facial option that I intentionally didn't select when creating my character.

Edit: Totally quoted the wrong person

[Khaza-R]

I understand people's frustration with something different. But, I think that no matter how much you may be attached to your old characters, its best to realize the old customization system was terribly flawed. People don't have a permanent emotions stapled to their faces like the old models. The new models are more realistic. And for one, I would think that would enhance your immerse experience in WoW.

[The Hero of Legend]

To anyone concerned they won't overhaul, I point to male worgen. Their design did a 180 from lion-men to wolf-men. Don't look at female worgen though, they went from wolf-women to bat-rat-dog-googly eyed-women.

But this is a new model engine they're using, so we don't know if they can do the same as they did for the Worgen.

[Luko]

But this is a new model engine they're using, so we don't know if they can do the same as they did for the Worgen.

I'm glad you said it. I have a feeling the whole "but they changed worgen!1!" thing is going to be popping up quite a few times before this thread has run it's course.

[Deleted]

A nice way to solve the issues people have with sameface syndrome, which looks like it can be done, is a "disposition" setting during customisation which sets their idle face to a certain expression. Even if it was subtle it'd still give enough variation to create something with projected personality.

[7seti]

I understand people's frustration with something different. But, I think that no matter how much you may be attached to your old characters, its best to realize the old customization system was terribly flawed. People don't have a permanent emotions stapled to their faces like the old models. The new models are more realistic. And for one, I would think that would enhance your immerse experience in WoW.

In that case, pray tell me why the female gnomes are all grinning insanely in their idle stance?

[Deleted]

But this is a new model engine they're using, so we don't know if they can do the same as they did for the Worgen.

I can imagine this new engine isn't as limited as the old one or else they'd have initial problems using it and it'd be scrapped in favour for something else. I wouldn't throw the worgen alpha argument out of the window too early.

[Awbee]

That's not what you said. You said blue eyes, small lips, mild eyebrows, innocent expression. All of those things are there. If you want something that looks exactly like your Priest, well you're being unreasonable. We all knew they where never going to exactly recreate the old faces.

The idea is that "oh yeah, this very much feels like my character I've been playing for years"

Our artists are going to extreme lengths to ensure the new models and animations embody (kyuck knyuck?) what you know and love about your characters. Our hope (and Tom's point) is that you log in, go AWESOME, and enjoy playing your character that still looks and moves and acts like your character - just at a much higher fidelity.

Original quotes. Your argument is just a poor attempt at invalidating my opinion, but is incongruent with what Blizzard has stated. It was in no way naive of me to expect to mostly keep the looks of my characters, when that is exactly what Blizzard said they'd do.

Can I say quality over quantity? I'd rather get one solid, fully polished package than loads of half-assed stuff. It's like asking me if I want one Porche, or a dozen busted up rust covered volvos.

By that line of argument, why even have different races at all? Let's just all play humans and orcs and call it a day, and those models will be super shiny! Or we could do it like diablo, where there's only one option for each class/gender combo. Do you feel personally attached to your D3 characters? I know I don't, and this is the main reason why.

Well all I can say is that you're entitled to do that if you want - but you have to accept that you're in the minority and you can't expect Blizzard to cater for you.

I really don't think only a minority of people are upset about the sameface issues, and that only a minority of people will be shocked when they log in and their character will look NOTHING like before.

Ultimately I think you're just failing to realise that Blizzard can't cater to everyone. You're in the minority and you've got to realise that when choosing who to disappoint, Blizzard is going to choose you.

Yeah, but then people like you have to stop telling me I'm overreacting when I'm saying that these changes will make me quit the game. It won't be the end of the world, I've been playing GW2 for the past 1,5 years and created my own new characters over there and formed attachment and personal stories with them. I also still love Skyrim, and might check out ESO, and if I want my WoW nostalgia kick I'll play Hearthstone and look at my 4k+ screenshots from WoW. You'll understand that I'm still somewhat sad that it has to end this way.

Blizzard have already gone above and beyond with these models, in the animation, the textures and yes - in the customisation as well. The onus isn't on them to please people with standards that are too high.

If you look at the fem gnomes and male orcs -- no, they really, definitely haven't gone "above and beyond" in the customisation. The old models had more customisation, there is just no way to deny that. For reference, this is "above and beyond" customisation. Once I'll be able to choose from 9+ different faces for each race, different body types, height, skin patterns, different eye colors, glow in the dark, and shaders for all kind of facial options in WoW, we can talk about "above and beyond" customisation.

[Joey Ray III]

Yes it does have those things. There's an option for blue eyes, for small eyebrows (as I'm not sure what mild eyebrows are) and the face is incredibly innocent looking. I see no problem with the lips either.

is there an option to get rid of that permanent grin? cause my gnome ain't smiling, if i want her to smile i'll use an emote.

look all we want here is that our characters still feel familiar after the update. from what we've seen so far, they won't. especially with female gnomes the difference is huge. the new model is a different person and looks nothing like any of the old ones. plus there's blatant sameface issue.

[Deleted]

There is demonstrably not a blue eyed option.

There's a bluish option.

[Khaza-R]

In that case, pray tell me why the female gnomes are all grinning insanely in their idle stance?

Exaggeration aside. The smirk could probably be toned down. But its certainly nothing to the extreme of the original models.

[Rhywolver]

Oh gods, the nightmares...

Warclones of Garrosh (TM) becomes reality...


We should really get a "We knew we would get the same faces when we first saw the orc models"-club signature.
Short: Wkwwgtsfwwfstom-club!

[7seti]

Exaggeration aside. The smirk could probably be toned down. But its certainly nothing to the extreme of the original models.

I think it's far worse. Most of the original female gnomes do have neutral expressions. There's really only one that is noticeably scowling. But the new models? Every single one has a giant grin plastered on its face. It's not a subtle smirk, it's a huge, creepy, "I will murder you in your sleep" grin.

Come to think of it, the male orcs are all scowling as well.

[Deleted]

There is demonstrably not a blue eyed option.

Neither is there for current gnomes. The two closest eye colours to blue are turquoise.