Could an Atheist Democrat ever win the Presidency of the USA?

[draykorinee]

Take your illegal immigration,

In 2012 the Obama made administration spent 18 billion dollars on immigration enforcement programs; more than the budget for all other federal law enforcement agencies that year combined

I don't know what you're going on about. [/IMG]

[Zecora]

What religion (if any) you follow should have absolutely no bearing on your fitness as a leader, unless you plan to steer a course based on the tenets of that religion, at which point people should start getting truly nervous and immediately find another candidate to vote for.

The fact that not this, but the inverse of it, seems to be the most common stance in the US, is quite worrysome.

[Frozenbeef]

Why not? 0o It's bizarre that you even consider things like that for a leader rather than their political views 0o

[Deleted]

Probably not openly atheist for some years. I read something recently about Kennedy not in private being religious. His speech in the aftermath of the Cuban missile crisis always struck me as humanist:

Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.

[draykorinee]

Did you read the post I responded to? .

Yup, how he acts by his own moral code and not one dictated to by a deity in a book? How basing your morals on these fake stories makes you fake? Not following a religion that asks for killing in a gods name?. Yeah I would agree with 75% of what he said. He is not even close to some of the 'militant atheists' who can be jack asses.

Its perfectly acceptable to tell people there religion is wrong and their beliefs are wrong, especially if you live in somewhere like America where religion dictates such a huge part of life there.

[simsumre]

I don't know what you're going on about.

DHS document: 68,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions released in 2013:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/2...ns-released-in

First link on google.

[draykorinee]

Why not? 0o It's bizarre that you even consider things like that for a leader rather than their political views 0o

No it isn't, not in America.

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DHS document: 68,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions released in 2013:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/2...ns-released-in

First link on google.

Obama came to power in 2009, first google search for me. Under republicans the numbers rose by 4million, good game.

[theostrichsays]

Yup, how he acts by his own moral code and not one dictated to by a deity in a book? How basing your morals on these fake stories makes you fake? Not following a religion that asks for killing in a gods name?. Yeah I would agree with 75% of what he said. He is not even close to some of the 'militant atheists' who can be jack asses.

Its perfectly acceptable to tell people there religion is wrong and their beliefs are wrong, especially if you live in somewhere like America where religion dictates such a huge part of life there.

Then I would hope you never complain when they tell you that your wrong. Tolerance/acceptance and retribution are not companions. Telling people they are wrong and fake is not aggressive though? I am not sure if you understand the concept that unless the American religious population (all religions) are a minor portion of the population that stuff like that will turn off many potential supporters, helping to derail the imaginary politicans chance.
But none the less what you quoted me as is completely relatable to atheist also who have these superiority complexes.

[simsumre]

I'm not going to argue with people that view politics as their "team". Enjoy your socialism.

[draykorinee]

I'm not going to argue with people that view politics as their "team". Enjoy your socialism.

Coming from someone who would NEVER vote for a democrat thats awfully ironic.

Then I would hope you never complain when they tell you that your wrong

Thats been their thing for thousands of years, me telling them they are wrong is me telling them they are wrong, they tell me I'm a sinner/evil/going to hell yadayada. Like you say though, that quote could quite easily be for militant atheists, I kind of thing the rise of atheists like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens has helped atheism as much as hindered.

[Synros]

I should run for President...Be the first Independent Satanist to make it in office. Then I could have all those dipshit Metalheads who drink horse blood, publicly executed. Make Wednesday, Mandatory Sushi Day. Make the use of the words SWAG and YOLO treason. And make the first Sunday of every month, National Poke A Christian Day.

My campaign slogan: It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.

Vote for me, Desar, 2016.

[Zarc]

Wow. This thread has so much of an American point-of-view. That atheism would be associated with the left-side of politics and that there is even a notion that people would have the opinion that atheists lack moral is just a totally incomprehensible logic to me.

But yes, of course an Atheist Democrat could win the presidency. This question isn't even remotely close to asking whether a Black person could become President like 200 years ago, yet that happened. So of course the answer is yes.

[Keosen]

What's the % of religious voters in US?
I guess it should be really high since USA is the mecca of the religious nuts, so yeah
Good luck with electing an atheist in a country with terrible educational system where the 33% of the population denies evolution.

And yeah atheism is associated with left side politics, right side are humble Christians and theists who care and love humanity and humans, irony overdose.

[tankbug]

Haha, I'd like to see the how they would take it on Fox News if a "godless heretic" would become the president. Fire and brimstone!

[Grummgug]

Religion essentially sells a moral code. A lot of people seek to know the difference between right and wrong. Just like people consumers in the marketplace buying food, clothes and shelter, they also are in the marketplace for a moral code. That is why I think it will be very different to extinguish religion.

I suppose someone could "repackage" religion by removing the notion of God, heaven, hell, and an afterlife. But still sell a moral code to live by. That would still meet my definition of a religion though.

I think it would fall into a game of semantics where large groups of people adopt a new moral code. Some would argue that, in every meaningful way, a religion is forming. Others would say it is not a religion.

Environmentalism is a religion to me. Environmentalism is a moral code. There are mainstream environmentalists. There are even cultists like Greenpeace.

But I do see a very large fight over the definition of words. Some want to define religion as belief in the supernatural, when it really is a belief in a moral code. One could argue the only reason there is a supernatural element in religion is because a moral code set MUST try to explain things beyond our understanding, and 2000 years ago it was a pretty simple solution to say a god did this or that.

"atheist" is a bit silly when you think about it. Ok, you reject God. But the Catholic Church is really about the moral code, the ten commandments, etc. I'm more interested in hearing about what someone thinks about the moral code of a religion rather than a debate over the existence of God.

[theostrichsays]

Coming from someone who would NEVER vote for a democrat thats awfully ironic.



Thats been their thing for thousands of years, me telling them they are wrong is me telling them they are wrong, they tell me I'm a sinner/evil/going to hell yadayada. Like you say though, that quote could quite easily be for militant atheists, I kind of thing the rise of atheists like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens has helped atheism as much as hindered.

I kind of figured I was taking what you wrote wrong, my issue lies with people who are pure ass hats to those who treat their religion like their penis. We had some people who crossed the Mississippi in their douche canoe locally, with signs up saying God hates Meade County, that person X________X sexually molests animals, that person X___________X rapes animals, and all sorts of nonsense. Those jack asses and people who actively attack people I don't really care about, and if they actively are looking for nonsense then be a bastard to them. Just the decent Christians who live their lives and don't harm nobody really don't deserve to be bashed, chances are they have never and would never say those things unless you specifically asked their opinions. Which is fair game because you asked. I just dislike when people consider retribution to be acceptable instead of tolerance.
But it just really comes to unless the religious population percentage of America was incredibly low, stuff like that will be a major hinderance to a open atheist being elected.

[Deleted]

Yes.

Religion is on it's way out, once all the oldies die off and the younger generations wake up to reality.

[Deleted]

I'm more interested in hearing about what someone thinks about the moral code of a religion rather than a debate over the existence of God.

Reminds me of the British post-war prime minister, Clem Attlee:

Believe in the ethics. Can't accept the mumo-jumbo.

[Deleted]

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I'm an atheist and I've never stolen, raped, murdered, committed adultery, etc etc.

You don't need religion to dictate what is wrong or right. I don't do any of those things because I know it's wrong, it's not out of fear that I will get smited down by a "god".

[theostrichsays]

What's the % of religious voters in US?
I guess it should be really high since USA is the mecca of the religious nuts, so yeah
Good luck with electing an atheist in a country with terrible educational system where the 33% of the population denies evolution.

And yeah atheism is associated with left side politics, right side are humble Christians and theists who care and love humanity and humans, irony overdose.

The numbers are actually difficult to read because there is a lot of people in America who claim religious affiliation but don't actually actively attend or support religion so whether it is a important topic to them at all or not is debateable (the last thing I read on that was some communities had as low as 44 percent measurable religious activity out of those who identified to be Christians based on church records). Also there are a lot of atheist replublicans, they just get called Rhinos and what not, but there is a population of people who support small government, small military, social service reform, and have not one damn for religion. They just don't get the face time or support of the religious right. There is also a heavy population of religious left, primarily due to Christianity having a strong hold on the Hispanic population and many people in the black community have religious affiliations.

Haha, I'd like to see the how they would take it on Fox News if a "godless heretic" would become the president. Fire and brimstone!

It would likely be a very conservative Democrat who was simply a atheist not anti religion. Plus things like gun control would likely not be on the table, so I don't think they would be broadcasting from their End of Days bunkers built into the side of mountains.