Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

[Ragnarohk]

She is going to be tried, and because that country takes no issue with legalized rape, she will likely be killed or tortured for the rest of her life because she had the audacity not to submit herself to the whims of a man who didn't care at all about her.

At what point would it have been acceptable for her to defend herself? Should she have waited until he was in the bedroom with her? Actually in the bed? At what point would it be acceptable for her to defend herself?

Defending herself does not imply murder

[TirielWoW]

Why are you lieing? She didn't poison "a man", she poisoned a party of random people.

I don't think they were random people. They were people celebrating her forced marriage. Do you invite random people to your wedding? o_O

[ShimmerSwirl]

Beyond that, your absolute interpretation of the UN declaration would imply that the document prevents any kind of punishment or law enforcement from ever happening; after all, we imprison criminals, which deprives them of liberty, right? Clearly, that is not the intent of the document, and is contradicted by later articles which include stipulations regarding trial, arrest, and punishment... none of which would be necessary if such things were precluded by Article 3.

But I think you are smart enough to see the flaw here already. Trying to measure 'the intent' of the article already has us in very murky water with no truly clear answers. I wasn't really interested in the nitty gritty of the doctrine, just in presenting the general idea the 'human rights' as a whole is a very vague idea that cannot be defined in any sort of universal way.

[Pengalor]

I generally don't have much sympathy for murderers and consider them deserving of prison sentence + rehab, but in this case, hearts out to her. Being forced to marry some pedo is a scary thing.

Where do people get that he's a 'pedo'? You guys do know the definition of pedophilia is sole, overwhelming attraction to pre-pubescent children, right? At 14 she is at an age where she can bear children, this was common in the past all over the world, it shouldn't be surprising that it is still common in undeveloped countries.

[KCguy]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. What an incredibly tough position to be put in. Unfortunately while I'm sure she was very scared and desperate, I feel she made the wrong call. Innocent people were killed/became very sick because of this. When you're desperate though. sometimes innocent people tend to get caught in the middle.

[Gungtah]

I'm pretty sure that a 35 year old man fucking a 14 year old is wrong no matter how you try to pander it off as "okay."

Why? Because British Imperialism says so? I'm not sure the age of the man matters. Would it be different if he was 80?

Seriously? The hell is wrong with you?

I don't think sex is a bad thing. I also don't recognize children as asexual.

[darkwarrior42]

Why are you lieing? She didn't poison "a man", she poisoned a party of random people.

I am not lying, I am focusing on the fact that the was targeting her husband. Never once did I say that nobody else died. Ideally, she would have just targeted the man that she was forced to marry, but I don't know if she had that option, and without that knowledge I'm not going to assume that she did.

I will not condemn her for defending herself. That you believe her husband should have been allowed to subject her to rape and whatever else he wanted for the rest of his life is sickening.

[Pengalor]

Defending herself does not imply murder

She didn't defend herself. She had nothing to defend herself from yet. Marriage doesn't cause innate harm and is certainly not a violent act. Not to mention this was a calculated act, self-defense implies it was heat of the moment and you had no other option but to defend yourself because your life was in danger at the moment you took action.

[Mormolyce]

Define rape. And then tell my girlfriend she's a rapist. I should murder her, then I can be a hero like this 14 year old girl.

Uh, non-consensual sex?

[Ragnarohk]

Where do people get that he's a 'pedo'? You guys do know the definition of pedophilia is sole, overwhelming attraction to pre-pubescent children, right? At 14 she is at an age where she can bear children, this was common in the past all over the world, it shouldn't be surprising that it is still common in undeveloped countries.

Actually, this made me think about something.

Did he have sex with her before he was murdered? If he didn't then technically he was killed for no reason.
It's like the movie Minority Report, he was killed before he committed the crime.
Interesting moral turn of events

[Pengalor]

I am not lying, I am focusing on the fact that the was targeting her husband. Never once did I say that nobody else died. Ideally, she would have just targeted the man that she was forced to marry, but I don't know if she had that option, and without that knowledge I'm not going to assume that she did.

I will not condemn her for defending herself. That you believe her husband should have been allowed to subject her to rape and whatever else he wanted for the rest of his life is sickening.

So because she 'didn't have the option' to just poison her husband, it's cool for her to poison 13 other people, killing 3 of them?

[Ragnarohk]

She didn't defend herself. She had nothing to defend herself from yet. Marriage doesn't cause innate harm and is certainly not a violent act. Not to mention this was a calculated act, self-defense implies it was heat of the moment and you had no other option but to defend yourself because your life was in danger at the moment you took action.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about now. She killed him before he actually did any harm to her.

[Crissi]

Why? Because British Imperialism says so? I'm not sure the age of the man matters. Would it be different if he was 80?



I don't think sex is a bad thing. I also don't recognize children as asexual.

So as long as the child is starting to get breasts, hips, and periods its ok to have sex with children as young as 9 or 10?

[Hooked]

She should get the death penalty.

[Deleted]

I will not condemn her for defending herself. That you believe her husband should have been allowed to subject her to rape and whatever else he wanted for the rest of his life is sickening.

She wasn't defending herself. She felt bad and wanted to make other people suffer like a typical school shooting case. You think she couldn't poison the husband in a different situation? No she wanted to kill as many ppl as possible.

[darkwarrior42]

She didn't defend herself. She had nothing to defend herself from yet. Marriage doesn't cause innate harm and is certainly not a violent act. Not to mention this was a calculated act, self-defense implies it was heat of the moment and you had no other option but to defend yourself because your life was in danger at the moment you took action.

So is it your position that a husband cannot rape his wife, under any circumstance? Or is it your position that rape is not harmful? Unless you take one of those two positions, the statement "marriage doesn't cause innate harm and is certainly not a violent act" is irrelevant, because this marriage was going to cause her harm, and would have involved rape regardless of whether it was violent.

So I'm assuming that you believe she should have submitted herself to him... or that she should have waited until he was actually forcing himself on her to try and do anything, and put herself at much greater risk.

[Hooked]

She wasn't defending herself. She felt bad and wanted to make other people suffer like a typical school shooting case. You think she couldn't poison the husband in a different situation? No she wanted to kill as many ppl as possible.

I agree, she is pure evil.

[Mormolyce]

Why? Because British Imperialism says so? I'm not sure the age of the man matters. Would it be different if he was 80?

Yeah it's not British Imperialism that tells us that forcing someone to have sex with someone else is wrong.

The age thing really just makes it more gross and wrong on top of it being rape to begin with.

[theostrichsays]

The only thing I can really say is that, she the girl, knew her situation and obviously made the choice that potential death or long term imprisonment was better then the other option. I imagine that she came to the conclusion from either first hand experience, or from watching her peers/family go through the ordeal.
Also who knows what she personally had endured in that week.

I talked to a friend I had in the military who is from Nigeria, and he put it in the best perspective I have seen. This was the end of her free will, that to most that is fate bordering death or worse, it would already be like imprisonment without cause. That her life was over, she was only going to be counting days until she died because nearly anything she did of her own discretion that was disagreed with could carry horrible punishments.
Maybe a little hyperbole... But I understand the perspective that he had on it given he was from the nation. Hard to agree with someone willing to kill upwards of 14 people, but it is hard to fault someone who had (in my eyes) lost damn near every distinction that I associate being a human with.

[Sunseeker]

It's actually interesting how many ppl defend the girl. For their morals it's ok to kill and be massmurderer if certain conditions are met.

Last time I checked out here in reality-land, there are plenty of reasons to justify murder.