Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

[darkwarrior42]

No you don't, but murder was not correct. She could have run away. She was let to go shopping alone. She could have killed simply only him. There was no reason at any time that she had to kill others in the process.

Hence the reason I revised my opinion (though again, only with regard to the others; still don't have a problem with her going after her would-be-rapist).

And she couldn't have gone anywhere; unless she somehow found a way to flee the country, the law says that she is now the wife of the man she was forced to marry. For all intents and purposes, she was kidnapped, and had no legal recourse.


In any event, it is late and I must sleep. Whether there was agreement or not, I thank you all for the discussion (brief though my part in it may have been), and have a pleasant night/day/whatever

[Daedius]

I could understand her out to kill just the husband, but why the fuck give it amongst 14 others ?? Mass murder... that, in my book, is NOT okay.

And even then - their culture, forced marriage doesn't necessarily make the men who died evil.

[Hooked]

Forced marriages are an abomination and honestly I don't have any sympathy for the people poisoned. Lets face it they where going to a party to celebrate a woman being forcibly married to a man who was very likely going to rape her as soon as they all left the party, had there been a decent bone amongst them they would have either refused the invite or tried to help the girl escape.

You think it was all guys there?. Im guessing the other women there also had arranged marriages as well who were in attendance. 1 of those women died as a result.

[prwraith]

As bad as it sounds, seeing as we can't shove whole cultures into a superman esque phantom zone, I don't have any personal hangups on removing cultures that endorse this sort of behavior.

Yea killing is wrong etc I get that. Still don't have any issues with what she did, as far as I'm concerned it was self defense against her "husband" and those who endorse that sort of activity.

[Teebone]

It's actually interesting how many ppl defend the girl. For their morals it's ok to kill and be massmurderer if certain conditions are met.

Glad you understand.

Because, obviously a child sex-slave is a better? Seriously, you really should have thought before posting that. There is no high road here. Not condoning what she did but sure as hell not condemning it. And, if you look at history, sometimes change and freedoms are won in bloodshed.

[prwraith]

Glad you understand.

Because, obviously a child sex-slave is a better? Seriously, you really should have thought before posting that. There is no high road here. Not condoning what she did but sure as hell not condemning it. And, if you look at history, sometimes change and freedoms are won in bloodshed.

Yep this whole issue is a lovely shade of grey on either end

[Daws]

You think it was all guys there?. Im guessing the other women there also had arranged marriages as well who were in attendance. 1 of those women died as a result.

Not at all, read the article and yes women where there. My view remains unchanged.

[Saradain]

There is nothing righteous about murdering 4 people and hoping one is the correct target. Even more so when the others had no part, no say, literally nothing to do with the actions of the husband in question. Forced marriage is wrong, but what you think is justifiable is so much more wrong.

Like said, life is hard, either you make hard choices or you accept whatever fate awaits you. The girl chose to be free. Death of innocents is always bad, true, but in the end, survival instinct prevails and makes you ensure that you'll live, no matter what the consequences are.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but the girl didn't intend to kill them all did she? I can't really imagine how a child like her would be able to avoid the forced marriage otherwise, not like she could simply run away...Especially considering those wedding guests probably accepted the whole deal themselves, giving a possibility of them gladly "assisting" the girl into marriage.

Although it's a norm in such countries to have these kind of things, I obviously think this thing through with my accepted norms and cultural traditions, making it very much wrong in my head. Mankind has different opinions about everything, and how have we dealt with differing opinions? By war. Killing. It's our nature

She merely used a globally accepted human right. The right to live, the right to be free.

[Gungtah]

Forced marriages are an abomination and honestly I don't have any sympathy for the people poisoned. Lets face it they where going to a party to celebrate a woman being forcibly married to a man who was very likely going to rape her as soon as they all left the party, had there been a decent bone amongst them they would have either refused the invite or tried to help the girl escape.

Men, what bastards.

We should also root out rape in prisons, that way convicts don't create social circles to protect themselves.

Or maybe rape can actually protect people in less than ideal circumstances. Who knows. I think it's weird how Westerners define themselves by their sexuality and sexual activity rather than "Oh I live in NIGERIA." We don't know the circumstances, only that "she did not love him".

[TirielWoW]

Men, what bastards.

It has nothing to do with men being bastards, or not being bastards. There is no right of refusal in a marriage in Nigeria. Just like there's no right to refuse marriage there. So she can say no all she wants, but she has no legal or moral right to refuse conjugal rights. Non-consensual sex is rape.

[Zantos]

Like said, life is hard, either you make hard choices or you accept whatever fate awaits you. The girl chose to be free. Death of innocents is always bad, true, but in the end, survival instinct prevails and makes you ensure that you'll live, no matter what the consequences are.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but the girl didn't intend to kill them all did she? I can't really imagine how a child like her would be able to avoid the forced marriage otherwise, not like she could simply run away...Especially considering those wedding guests probably accepted the whole deal themselves, giving a possibility of them gladly "assisting" the girl into marriage.

Well, she isn't free. She will probably be killed for what she did. She killed 4 people. She chose death, not freedom. Now for the other questions. If she didn't intend to kill them all, she didn't have to poison the feast. The celebration happened a full week After the marriage. So she was obviously alone with him for a full week. I'm sure he had to sleep sometime. If she really only wanted him dead, she had a week prior to do it. She also could have simply run away. She was allowed to go to the market, where she bought the poison. She obviously wasn't supervised or no one cared enough to bother to ask her what she needed the poison for.

Not to mention we don't know to what extent the others may or may not have participated in the marriage of the girl and the guy. She also killed a women, someone who may have been in the very same situation as her but just accepted her fate. Point is, she had chances to get away, to kill only him, but she ignored them to try and kill over a dozen people. She was not in a life threatening situation, so survival instincts do not come into play here. If they were, she probably wouldn't have killed him and 3 others at the party just to get arrested and probably killed.

[MadHyena]

Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, have I read this correctly? A young girl, a teenger, sends not one, not two, but FOUR rapists to Hell? And don't get me started on "But only one man..." - bullshit. They all were adult nigerean muslim men, who willingly attended to that event - they all have done the same to other girls.
Okay, that's pretty much the crowning achievment of humanity. Anything that we have done or could have done is overshadowed by amount of balls it took for this girl to dod it.
Pity that she will be stoned to death or something along the lines. I hope that her martyrdom will inspire more.

[Gungtah]

It has nothing to do with men being bastards, or not being bastards. There is no right of refusal in a marriage in Nigeria. Just like there's no right to refuse marriage there. So she can say no all she wants, but she has no legal or moral right to refuse her husband. Non-consensual sex is rape.

What if he doesn't have sex with her until she consents? I don't think either of us has statistics on which hypothetical is more likely. And even then there are exceptions to the rule (whichever the "rule" may be).

[TirielWoW]

Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, have I read this correctly? A young girl, a teengare, sends not one, not two, but FOUR rapists to Hell? And don't get me started on "But only one man..." - bullshit. They all were adult nigerean muslim men, who willingly attended to that event - they all have done the same to other girls.
Okay, that's pretty much the crowning achievment of humanity. Anything that we have done or could have done is overshadowed by amount of balls it took for this girl to dod it.
Pity that she will be stoned to death or something along the lines. I hope that her martyrdom will inspire more.

I do not think it's fair to label the other people at the wedding feast "rapists," since we don't know that they were or are. Also, one of the people who died was a woman.

[Fexus]

Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, have I read this correctly? A young girl, a teengare, sends not one, not two, but FOUR rapists to Hell?

One of those killed was a woman.

[TirielWoW]

What if he doesn't have sex with her until she consents? I don't think either of us has statistics on which hypothetical is more likely. And even then there are exceptions to the rule (whichever the "rule" may be).

Then it's not rape. But we don't know what happened here, either. For instance, the going to market thing? Normally, she'd have to be escorted by a male relative, so she almost certainly wasn't doing that by herself (which I noticed most of the posters don't actually realize). But the odds of her husband not employing some form of coercion - whether physical or psychological - to get his "marital rights" are pretty low.

[Ragnarohk]

Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, have I read this correctly? A young girl, a teengare, sends not one, not two, but FOUR rapists to Hell? And don't get me started on "But only one man..." - bullshit. They all were adult nigerean muslim men, who willingly attended to that event - they all have done the same to other girls.
Okay, that's pretty much the crowning achievment of humanity. Anything that we have done or could have done is overshadowed by amount of balls it took for this girl to dod it.
Pity that she will be stoned to death or something along the lines. I hope that her martyrdom will inspire more.

Your post is full of bigoted racist arguments.

[Karaoke]

Like said, life is hard, either you make hard choices or you accept whatever fate awaits you. The girl chose to be free. Death of innocents is always bad, true, but in the end, survival instinct prevails and makes you ensure that you'll live, no matter what the consequences are.

I believe the debate is around the path she took (murder) when making the hard choice, as compared to other, less-victim creating choices.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but the girl didn't intend to kill them all did she? I can't really imagine how a child like her would be able to avoid the forced marriage otherwise, not like she could simply run away...Especially considering those wedding guests probably accepted the whole deal themselves, giving a possibility of them gladly "assisting" the girl into marriage.

I think we can only assume what she was thinking, but because so many people were poisoned, I'm going to assume she was okay with collateral damage as long as her husband was dead.

Although it's a norm in such countries to have these kind of things, I obviously think this thing through with my accepted norms and cultural traditions, making it very much wrong in my head. Mankind has different opinions about everything, and how have we dealt with differing opinions? By war. Killing. It's our nature

When I read through the responses commending this girl on her actions, this is exactly what came to mind. Makes it difficult to paint the girl as the evil person unless you understand the culture. I could only imagine what their forums would look like if they were discussing twerking, or multi-sex restrooms.

[Bryntrollian]

Which law? :-P

*shrug* You are right in saying that education is not of particularly high importance over there... but it doesn't take any real education to see when you are hurting someone, and they're not exactly primitive fools either.

That said, Hooked raises a point I had failed to consider; namely, that she was able to go out on her own and acquire the rat poison. That implies a level of autonomy that should have afforded her more opportunities to limit her targeting to only her husband. While I stand by my statement that I wouldn't hesitate to go through the confederates of my kidnapper for being complicit in the act, that doesn't mean I'm going to detour during an escape attempt to set fire to their houses because I'm pissed at them. The fact that she had that level of autonomy means that she probably could have found a more controlled method of protecting herself.

I still don't have an issue with her going after her husband, but I will retract my earlier position on the grounds that it seems likely that she didn't have to target the others; going after them for the sake of vengeance is not justifiable.

Technically she wasn't kidnapped, the marriage with this man was most likely arranged by her parents, as that is what the law states has to happen for a 14 year old to be married. Wouldn't you say her parents are more to blame than the husband in question? Would you also condone her killing her parents as well because they arranged the whole thing ?

Attempting to kill 14 people because you aren't in love with the man your parents forced you to marry doesn't sound like my kind of justice.

[s_bushido]

Mixed feelings. On one hand, arranged marriages go hand-in-hand with the "it's not rape if you're married" mentality...so fuck them.

On the other...well...she could have found a way to do it without the collateral damage if she truly thought murder was the only way out. I have no idea what sort of recourse is available for a child bride who is unhappy with her situation in that part of the world. But I want to say that killing a bunch of people isn't the best way to go about it.