Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

[TirielWoW]

Become a spokesperson against the injustice you've faced.
Write a book or speak with others to inspire change to happen.
Make a positive change instead of fixing a wrong with another wrong.

What if any great leader in history had taken this girl's option? What if Martin Luther King decided to beat up or murder white people who discriminated against him?

She had the option to become someone great and inspire others to create change, and she instead killed people.

I know I'm being overly dramatic here, but she had choices. Choosing the easy way out isn't something to commend her on.

First, do you know if she knew those were options at all? Second, are you saying she should have stayed and been raped repeatedly, probably impregnated against her will, etc? Because then she could "Become a spokesperson" against that injustice? She could speak out all she wanted - that doesn't mean anyone would have ever heard her. And it likely would have gotten her beaten to death.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The world is a better place for her doing it.

Tradition is a shitty excuse to do terrible things.

[Karaoke]

Its dumb logic to justify right and wrong based on tradition. Then you go a step further and say that because the parents were acting rationally, the girl mustve been evil. Were slaves that killed their masters just evil, I mean slavery was a tradition for 10,000 years. If the answer is no, than you will understand the point.

The answer isn't no. They did nothing to prevent the problem but instead did something wrong as well in retaliation. That doesn't fix anything.

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First, do you know if she knew those were options at all? Second, are you saying she should have stayed and been raped repeatedly, probably impregnated against her will, etc? Because then she could "Become a spokesperson" against that injustice? She could speak out all she wanted - that doesn't mean anyone would have ever heard her. And it likely would have gotten her beaten to death.

I'm not saying any of those things. I am saying she had options. Options that could maybe someday prevent the same thing from happening to her future daughters born out of rape. Murder of those people doesn't do anything in solving the real problem.

[Speaknoevil]

Maybe I read too much into it, but I understood that he implied that all of those men had raped girls before because they were nigerian/muslim

Also, no, it's not good to act bigoted. The point is to try and analize the situation with a rational mind.

He's not wrong, that's the tradition being discussed. Pretty much all women in those "cultures" are enslaved and raped their whole lives.

[Count Zero]

While I don't agree with forced marriage, killing is killing. She could have just ran away instead of poisoning a dozen or so people.

Don't care if she's 14.

Hope she fries, or hangs. However they do it.

wat

seriously, wat

"killing is wrong. i hope they kill her."

again, wat. should they then execute her executors, and then execute those executors, and then execute those executors ...

[Vokal]

wat

seriously, wat

"killing is wrong. i hope they kill her."

again, wat. should they then execute her executors, and then execute those executors, and then execute those executors ...

So you're against the death penalty?

What do you think we should do with murderers then?

And this isn't exactly a thread discussing the death penalty at all. Not sure why you bring it up.

[Count Zero]

So you're against the death penalty?

What do you think we should do with murderers then?

Where did I say I'm against the death penalty ? I was pointing out your inconsistency.

Is killing wrong, or should the girl be killed ? Because those are mutually exclusive.

[s_bushido]

So you're against the death penalty?

What do you think we should do with murderers then?

Same thing most other civilized societies do: prison.

[Speaknoevil]

I'm sorry no, she doesn't deserve prison either(she doesn't live in a civilized country.)
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The traditions in question should not be allowed to continue.

[Easo]

Fuck that "culture. Fuck those "traditions". Fuck those "laws".
Rapist and his supporters were punished. Its that simple. The only thing you can argue about are those other persons guilty or not.
But then again you are not her, you are not getting raped, just because your father sold you out to old fart.
Before you judge her, tell me... What would you do to avoid rape? Or even better, what would be your choice between life as a basically sex toy, or doing something to change that?
P.S.
She should have gotten her father.

[Vokal]

Where did I say I'm against the death penalty ?

You implied it with your comment saying should we then proceed by executing her executors which was pretty silly I might add.

When the state executes people who murder your family its a sentence passed after they've been judged and found guilty of killing your family. That doesn't mean the state will then use the same reasoning to execute the people carrying out the execution. It's silly and quite simply stupid to even suggest such a thing, even in jest.

I was pointing out your inconsistency.

What inconsistency? I said murderers should be punished and that I believe in the death penalty for such an offense. It seems pretty clear here. Not sure if you even took the effort to read.

Is killing wrong, or should the girl be killed ?

Murder is wrong. What the girl did was kill with intent. She should be found guilty and executed for her crime. As should anyone else who murders with intent.

[Count Zero]

I do hope folks will read over folks' comments in here with open minds, even if your mind doesn't get changed. Multitude of intersecting issues here. This is all more complex than most folks are portraying it as.

[draykorinee]

Hmmm friends and family complicit in the rape of a 14 year old, because that's what it is when you force yourself on to a 14 year old, not too fussed about their deaths.

[Count Zero]

You implied it with your comment saying should we then proceed by executing her executors which was pretty silly I might add.

When the state executes people who murder your family its a sentence passed after they've been judged and found guilty of killing your family. That doesn't mean the state will then use the same reasoning to execute the people carrying out the execution. It's silly and quite simply stupid to even suggest such a thing, even in jest.




What inconsistency? I said murderers should be punished and that I believe in the death penalty for such an offense. It seems pretty clear here. Not sure if you even took the effort to read.




Murder is wrong. What the girl did was kill with intent. She should be found guilty and executed for her crime. As should anyone else who murders with intent.

I didn't imply it; you inferred it. I didn't say we should kill her executors; I asked if we should, if we agree (not saying we do, but "if" we do) that killing is wrong.

The inconsistency is this: you argue she should have her life taken, because she took life. You have chosen to resolve this by delineating between murder and execution. A delineation which rests upon the notion that state-sanctioned killing is acceptable. I'm not so sure this is a given. Is every "execution" by any government justified and thus not murder ? If not, where do you draw the line ?

You also are arguing that all non-state-sanctioned killing is wrong. I also don't think this is necessarily a given. Let's use your example of someone who murdered my family: it is ok for the government to kill that person, but not ok for me to kill that person ? Again, where do you draw the line ? You are saying some people deserve to die, but only certain people are allowed to make that assertion. You also seem to be arguing you are allowed to make that assertion, because you are saying this girl should die. Should you be allowed to kill her ?

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Give her a fucking medal.

[Deleted]

Some balls on that girl, think she made the right call. Pedophile gets what pedophile deserves.

[Velaniz]

Poisoning her husband, I would've let slip as self-defense. But also poisoning a whole bunch of other people who just happened to be there? That's taking things too far, and she's probably made the situation worse for herself.

The best that's come out of this is the fact that some attention has been called onto cases like these.

[heroim]

so basically what people are saying that its fine if someone shoots everyone in a room because they think that they might be attacked because that's what this amounts to. i understand her situation wasn't great but the fact is that she killed a bunch of people that posed no threat to her and no matter what it still makes her a murderer.

[Velaniz]

Would you tell a child they're an immoral shitbag if they steal something from you, but were never taught stealing was wrong? I'd assume the answer is no and it's essentially the same situation here. In the case with the child, you wouldn't tolerate the act, but you also wouldn't condemn the child for the act. That stealing should not occur does not exist within the rule set the child operates by. I'm not preaching ethical relativism, but it makes no sense to judge people as somehow being morally deficient when they're behaving in accordance with the culture they're raised in. The proposed superior behavior does not exist within the rule set they operate by.

As always, the ever rational, sole voice of reason in whatever thread he's in. Provides some solace from these people celebrating mass murder.

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Do you? Do you know child rapists? It sounds like you speak from experience, which frightens me tremendously.

I am the child, the father, the mother, the family. I am the victim. Sugarcoat it in whatever way you want, no matter how much regret the rapist might feel or conflict inside, what he or she did is done and cannot be undone. You are punished for what you have done, and such punishment is justly death.

Why is inflicting death in retribution ever just? Why is inflicting death where no life was lost just? You could probably reconcile some definition of 'justice' with the first, but that would be close to impossible with the second.

[Sky High]

I can sit here and agree ass hole people deserve to die especially if they treat others like shit. These fucks treated her like a toy they deserved to die

ah, thanks for the clarification.