Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

[Treeskee]

So are we just calling him a rapist because he would have slept with her or what? I don't see it mentioning sex or rape anywhere in the article. So as far as I can tell she killed him ONLY because they were forced to get married and not because he was a rapist OR a pedophile.

[Tastyfish]

What I find awkward, prob because my brother is getting married next month so a lot of those plans pass my desk, is the fact she got married, then cooked for 15ish or more people rite after. Like literally, get in the kitchen and cook rite from the alter. O_O

[Deleted]

So are we just calling him a rapist because he would have slept with her or what? I don't see it mentioning sex or rape anywhere in the article. So as far as I can tell she killed him ONLY because they were forced to get married and not because he was a rapist OR a pedophile.

Yeah, you don't seem to know how they do these things over there. What is consummation of marriage?

[Deleted]

Pakistan, India, and, I believe, Afghanistan have all had accounts within the past 5 years of women gang raped at the order of village headmen who felt that they had shamed their village in some way, or to solve feuds between families. Essentially, the gang rapes were condoned because of either a fault against the woman, or against her family.

In which case, rape is a punishment in these cases. It's no different from jail, the death penalty, flogging or whatever for men. Punishments can always be twisted to be seen as 'justified'.

I'm sorry, you're never going to convince me that it's "okay" to rape someone because your culture condones it. You're never going to convince me that it's "okay" to cut a little girl's genitals off and sew them back up because their culture supports it. And you're never going to convince me that forced marriages of little girls to adult men is "okay" because their culture says its okay. All of this is still wrong. You can stick your head in the sand and cry "but it's their culture!" but it's still wrong.

I'm not saying any of this is okay. Obviously if I was ruler of the world I would stamp out this behaviour instantly. But what I am saying is that there is no code of universal morality, and you have to stop classing things as 'objectively wrong' through your 21st century first world country goggles.

[Deleted]

Yeah, you don't seem to know how they do these things over there. What is consummation of marriage?

Oh, so a guy is now a rapist because he -MIGHT- rape her, eventually?

Feminazies, everywhere.

[Deleted]

Oh, so a guy is now a rapist because he -MIGHT- rape her, eventually?

Feminazies, everywhere.

As said, you don't seem to know how things are done over there.

[King Shark]

Out of curiosity, could you provide an example of a culture which actively condones rape, and their reasons for it?

Harmful? Yes. But harmful does not necessarily equal wrong. I'm sure I could think of a better example, but jailing a criminal is seen as morally right and lawful, yet causes harm. And again out of curiosity, do you also view male circumcision as wrong?

As for arranged marriages, you are looking at it from a modern feminist's point of view, which unfortunately simply isn't valid in half of the world. We don't have any right to write a code of 'objective morality' and call them wrong.

It's not an arranged marriage, it is a forced marriage. Forced; against her will. Also:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ho...ise-u-s-n66226
http://lightbox.time.com/2014/02/06/...ision-kenya/#1
Female circumcision is wrong, because it's fucking wrong. It's barbaric.

[Deleted]

Okay then. I am going to put you on the spot with this one. What is the 'logical reasoning' you speak of?

I said 'according to them'. Obviously I can't explain what logical reasoning there actually is; if I could explain that, I'd be arguing in favour of it.

To give another example, Jews even in first world countries have 'logical reasoning' behind male circumcision. Even though I think it's obviously complete BS, they do it because they think it actually improves the person, their life or whatever. No-one EVER does anything purely because 'culture says so' unless they do it against their will.

[Tastyfish]

Oh, so a guy is now a rapist because he -MIGHT- rape her, eventually?
Feminazies, everywhere.

IF she wanted nothing to do with the guy (obvious she didn't), or the situation and the guy would def use consummation as the excuse to fuck her, then yea it is rape...

Can't you figure it out? She was forced into the situation, Clearly she would not be ok with having sex with someone over 2 decades older then her, She killed him rather then get fucked by him... lol

[TirielWoW]

You're naive to think that cultures practice things like FGM purely because of culture. They practice it because, according to them, there is logical reasoning (combined with religious reasoning) behind it. So the two aren't really different.

Religion and culture are two halves of the same whole. If "cultural reasoning" isn't enough for you, and it has to be "logical and religious," then you're contradicting yourself. Cultures do things for completely logical reasons - to them. That doesn't mean that those "completely logical" reasons can't be wrong. Slavery was completely condoned in almost every society at some point. It's still condoned in certain cultures. Does that mean slavery is right? No. Even if a culture offers totally logical (to them) reasons why it's okay, it's still not okay.

[Vokal]

Pakistan, India, and, I believe, Afghanistan have all had accounts within the past 5 years of women gang raped at the order of village headmen who felt that they had shamed their village in some way, or to solve feuds between families. Essentially, the gang rapes were condoned because of either a fault against the woman, or against her family.

Murder and rape of women for reason of "honor" and "justice" has been practiced in rural areas of Pakistan for a lot longer than 5 years and continues to be. Sad state of affairs. Can't say I've ever heard of that happening in India and Afghanistan however.

[Treeskee]

Yeah, you don't seem to know how they do these things over there. What is consummation of marriage?

So just because most people do something everyone does? I didn't realize. Especially since rape is illegal in Nigeria, even if you're married.

[TirielWoW]

In which case, rape is a punishment in these cases. It's no different from jail, the death penalty, flogging or whatever for men. Punishments can always be twisted to be seen as 'justified'.

So gang raping a woman for the crimes of her family or for some perceived slight on her part is ok? I mean, that's basically what you appear to be saying.

I'm not saying any of this is okay. Obviously if I was ruler of the world I would stamp out this behaviour instantly. But what I am saying is that there is no code of universal morality, and you have to stop classing things as 'objectively wrong' through your 21st century first world country goggles.

Some things are objectively wrong. They're wrong even though you apparently want to say they're right.

[Deleted]

No-one EVER does anything purely because 'culture says so' unless they do it against their will.

Try to make Swedes explain why they celebrate Valborg.

[Deleted]

IF she wanted nothing to do with the guy (obvious she didn't), or the situation and the guy would def use consummation as the excuse to fuck her, then yea it is rape...

-IF-

he didn't do it.

[TirielWoW]

So just because most people do something everyone does? I didn't realize. Especially since rape is illegal in Nigeria, even if you're married.

I'm not sure how that's possible, unless you're talking about in the southern areas, because as far as I know, there is no such thing as spousal rape under Sharia.

[Deleted]

As said, you don't seem to know how things are done over there.

And how do you know the guy didn't intend to wait for her to turn into an adult?

[Tastyfish]

-IF-

he didn't do it.

CAUSE HE IS DEAD and was killed so she wouldn't have too! lol

come on now.

[TirielWoW]

Murder and rape of women for reason of "honor" and "justice" has been practiced in rural areas of Pakistan for a lot longer than 5 years and continues to be. Sad state of affairs. Can't say I've ever heard of that happening in India and Afghanistan however.

It happens in tribal areas of Afghanistan, and in very rural areas of India. I only used "the past five years" to make it clear that it's still going on.

[Deleted]

It's not an arranged marriage, it is a forced marriage. Forced; against her will. Also:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ho...ise-u-s-n66226
http://lightbox.time.com/2014/02/06/...ision-kenya/#1

Female circumcision. Give a read.

Fine, so I used the wrong term for the marriage. Doesn't alter any of my arguments.

And what do you expect me to gain from reading those articles? I already know exactly what FGM is. And please don't give any credibility to that first article, it's horribly narrow minded and biased.