Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

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Well back in the days of slavery it wasn't seen as immoral to have a slave. In fact most people saw it as a sign of status. Its immoral by modern standards.
Whats is seen as moral changes over time so you cant be so blanket with morality. Don't get me wrong i don't agree with forced marriages at all. But if said culture sees it as moral... The fact the country has laws preventing such things yet doesnt act on them would be more of a concern in the first place.

Throughout slavery there were always people who protested it. There were always people who said it was wrong. It's simply incorrect to say that everyone was okay with it and at the time it was totally moral and fine and no one had a problem with it. It's a similar case to things like conflict minerals. Most people see having (for example) a ton of big shiny gadgets as a status symbol and a lot of people treat it as totally normal, but there are still a bunch of people who recognise that the tungsten, gold, etc in the circuitry of those gadgets come from mines run by African Warlords who use the money to finance genocide, and that that is wrong.

Not to mention, even if at the time everyone thought it was okay, these things change over time. When people start to realise that these things are wrong and fight back against them, some pretty barbaric things often occur early on (like with slavery), but just because it is considered normal doesn't mean that the people fighting back at the start are wrong. Someone has to make the first move, and it can't be subtle.

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My point was the hypocrisy people have regarding other cultures. Circumcision is just as bad as arranged marriages. Most of the commenters here are probably Americans, where circumcision is considered a norm. Yet they question arranged/forced marriages done in Nigeria, which is and has been part of their culture for ages.

I think more that these people would argue 100% against female genital mutilation yet apparently if its a male bit its ok because its only "cosmetic" as someone put..

[Goradan]

I Am getting Sick or the crap of all the fools that call the girl in this topic a murder. People get your fucking act together and realise that the fucking laws and crap your have been raised with doesn't matter shit in her situation and the she did the right thing here. She an unique case of a scared and hurt girl who had the strength and courage to do such a thing to her "husband" and his shithead friends. All of you SEXIST and LICK ASSES need to stop saying she should not have done it. So you like all girls and women to obey the law, men and especially their husband and suffer. It that really more Important to you? Is it? because she has killed someone for good or for ill, you bitches see her tainted and that you even have the nerve to say she also DESERVE TO DIE FOR THIS!!!!! by saying all of this shit your effectively taking her tormentors side and advocating Child abuse, Rape, Paedophilia and Oppression of women. Are you proud of yourself for being so "moral", "proper" and "Civilised". good you should be because that shows your more willing to force you stupid and retard opinion on others and shit. truly you people are the "good" ones here with your apathy and the fact your being more worried about murder then the torment or little children.

If anyone remember watching A Time to Kill with Matthew McConaughey and Samuel L. Jackson. Hope you remember that the court could only empathise with the Father and his raped daughter by hearing the story repeat for the Millionth time with the twist of " now imagine she's white". Think about that you racist scum would your persecute a girl in Europe or America for murdering someone who raped or forced you into a marriage? Would you hate Jaycee Lee Dugard if she fought back and killed Phillip Nancy Garrido during or even before she got abducted? would you call that murder or self-defence? to most of you sexist and ignorant bastard it would would make real difference killing is killing and therefore all murders, sympathetic or not all killing crime is equal to you is it not?

To all the people who are debating about this atrocity in a civil and coherent matter and about legitimate point and not being insensitive to the horrors of this and or for other sympathetic and altruistic reason I'm sorry for my rant. but for the rest who would rip at me for saying this and pointing out the flaw's in your Ideals. Go ahead, please do.

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I Am getting Sick or the crap of all the fools that call the girl in this topic a murder.

She is a murderer. I'm not saying that she is wrong for what she did but she is a murderer by the definition of the word.

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Throughout slavery there were always people who protested it. There were always people who said it was wrong. It's simply incorrect to say that everyone was okay with it and at the time it was totally moral and fine and no one had a problem with it. It's a similar case to things like conflict minerals. Most people see having (for example) a ton of big shiny gadgets as a status symbol and a lot of people treat it as totally normal, but there are still a bunch of people who recognise that the tungsten, gold, etc in the circuitry of those gadgets come from mines run by African Warlords who use the money to finance genocide, and that that is wrong.

Not to mention, even if at the time everyone thought it was okay, these things change over time. When people start to realise that these things are wrong and fight back against them, some pretty barbaric things often occur early on (like with slavery), but just because it is considered normal doesn't mean that the people fighting back at the start are wrong. Someone has to make the first move, and it can't be subtle.

Of course there will have people who protested it. But it still doesn't mean that it is universally seen as immoral all the time. Unfortunately the majority inevitably decide whats right/wrong as can be seen in a lot of modern issues. Im not saying the people fighting back are wrong either. To go by your own slavery example we had near full scale slaver for over 3000 years before changes were made. And it still occurs in certain areas of the Globe despite laws to prevent it

Some people will protest absolutely anything

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My point was the hypocrisy people have regarding other cultures. Circumcision is just as bad as arranged marriages. Most of the commenters here are probably Americans, where circumcision is considered a norm. Yet they question arranged/forced marriages done in Nigeria, which is and has been part of their culture for ages.

Again your saying circumcision, a stupid cosmetic change to the genitals, is just as bad as paedophilia, rape and in some cases murder. Remember the case of Yemeni the 8 year old who died on her 'wedding night' when her 40 year old 'husband' raped her to death. Your saying that what happened to Yemeni is the same as a boy having the foreskin shaved off his penis before hes even cognizant of the fact he has a penis?

In Yemeni's case the 'authorities' agreed with you and the 'husband' wasn't charged and probably went on to remarry

Your saying the girl should have accepted her fate because its not so bad. Would you be willing to give your 8 year old daughter/sister/niece whatever to a 40 year old?

[Primernova]

I hope they apply sharia on her.

Why marry young women when instead they can be out being whores and having illegitimate children and have their own show on MTV. I agree the older guys should lay off and let the young guys marry them, but that's africa.

And no it's not just us muslims either. The whole of africa and lots of other parts in this world still marry this young.

In america they don't marry they just get abused and used or do incestual stuff.

I hope they apply sharia on her.

This has to be one of the most infuriating things I have ever read.

No one should have providence over someone else, under any circumstances. The very concept is insane and a simple grab of power where none is actually present or deserved.

[ShimmerSwirl]

Cutting of the labia and clitoris of a child, then sewing them back up - which, btw, causes a plethora of physical issues, in addition to emotional and sexual ones - is wrong. This isn't subjective. It's wrong. It falls under child abuse.

I think some people just don't get it. Yes its wrong by the moral code we adhere to. However, the debate is about a universal code of morality and how different people believe different things. There is no "objectively wrong". Its all opinion.

[Goradan]

My point was the hypocrisy people have regarding other cultures. Circumcision is just as bad as arranged marriages. Most of the commenters here are probably Americans, where circumcision is considered a norm. Yet they question arranged/forced marriages done in Nigeria, which is and has been part of their culture for ages.

I understand your point but does that mean that women's or girl's right does not matter?

[Deleted]

I think some people just don't get it. Yes its wrong by the moral code we adhere to. However, the debate is about a universal code of morality and how different people believe different things. There is no "objectively wrong". Its all opinion.

Only if you believe in moral relativism. Which is a bullshit position.

[Deleted]

I understand your point but does that mean that women's or girl's right does not matter?

No it doesn't. Ofc her rights matter. But murder is still murder by its own definition. The fact it was very clearly calculated is also a problem. In relation to the husband id give ground. The other people not so much. But who is just as much to blame. The husband? her parents? the list could go on.

But unfortunately you lost all credibility with your previous rant so i hope you re-read it and edit it to a more coherent thought out post to make your point properly.

The problem is you cannont project western cultural idealisms onto somewhere that follows completely differing ideas. Screaming right or wrong wont change what happens.

If anything the UK/commonwealth should be putting heavy pressure on Nigeria as a member to sort its shit out and apply its laws in this regard.

[Primernova]

My point was the hypocrisy people have regarding other cultures. Circumcision is just as bad as arranged marriages. Most of the commenters here are probably Americans, where circumcision is considered a norm. Yet they question arranged/forced marriages done in Nigeria, which is and has been part of their culture for ages.

Circumcision is done for medical reasons mainly. That's a massive point, for bacteria to go crazy.

[Deleted]

Good god, you're one of the most ignorant posters I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

People like you are disgusting beyond words for conveniently answering away disgusting acts like FGM done against innocent girls with spiels of "oh oh but it's their culture!".

Let me give you some cold hard facts of reality. Modern medical science > You, and groups/nations or even entire cultures sharing completely ignorant views.
There's a reason the modern world is progressing at the rate it is and it isn't by allowing these BS views such as yours any place at the table.
Sure, we're not going to go invade them but that doesn't mean we should sit around playing ignorant when these people deserve to be ridiculed and criticized at every turn for embracing, in most cases, willful ignorance.

This is unreasonable.

Find me one sentence where I actually said that I thought FGM was a valid practice. My point was that at the time of my posting, people were going around preaching some kind of 'objective morality', something which doesn't exist. The counter-argument is that we view FGM in the same light as other cultures might view something like homosexuality. There is not really such a thing as moral objectivity, and certainly not in this case.

Therefore anyone who says that these men 100% deserved to die is misguided.

I'm suspecting you just read that one post you quoted and disregarded all my other posts before.

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Only if you believe in moral relativism. Which is a bullshit position.

No-one is saying it should be tolerated. But i would love to see your ideas on stopping shit like this happening seeing as your up on a high horse all the time

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Only if you believe in moral relativism. Which is a bullshit position.

I'm sorry, but objective morality is an equally bullshit position.

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Circumcision is done for medical reasons mainly. That's a massive point, for bacteria to go crazy.

As a male who has not been circumcised i can adequately call medical reasons bullshit. Unless there is a family history of issues it has no medical benefits at all. Well that is unless your a dirty bastard who doesn't clean yourself properly.

Medical reasons has been sprouted as a "reason" for as long as it could. I doubt they did this practice 2000 years ago for "medical reasons" Its archaic and its abhorrent.

[Primernova]

No-one is saying it should be tolerated. But i would love to see your ideas on stopping shit like this happening seeing as your up on a high horse all the time

I like the girl's idea...

Kill the fuckers.

Problem solved.

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Circumcision is done for medical reasons mainly. That's a massive point, for bacteria to go crazy.

the majority of circumcisions are done purely for religious/cosmetic reasons. There is the occasional medically necessary circumcision but on the whole its a pointless practice. But to say its on par with subjecting children to forced marriage, rape and a painful death during childbirth before they even enter their teenage years is either a supreme case of ignorance or some pretty good trolling

[Puupi]

Again your saying circumcision, a stupid cosmetic change to the genitals, is just as bad as paedophilia, rape and in some cases murder. Remember the case of Yemeni the 8 year old who died on her 'wedding night' when her 40 year old 'husband' raped her to death. Your saying that what happened to Yemeni is the same as a boy having the foreskin shaved off his penis before hes even cognizant of the fact he has a penis?

In Yemeni's case the 'authorities' agreed with you and the 'husband' wasn't charged and probably went on to remarry

Your saying the girl should have accepted her fate because its not so bad. Would you be willing to give your 8 year old daughter/sister/niece whatever to a 40 year old?

Stupid cosmetic change? You fucking serious? Let me get a scalpel and start doing stuff to your dick without your permission. "Before hes even cognizant of the fact he has a penis". Yeah and the 8 year old girl probably wasn't cognizant of the concept of sex, either. That doesn't make it right.

I wouldn't give my daughter to a 40 year old man. But I'm not Nigerian or muslim. That's their culture. I can watch porn and have sex when I'm a teenager. That's our culture. Muslims and Nigerians can't. Different cultures, different traditions and morals.

I understand your point but does that mean that women's or girl's right does not matter?

As long as Nigerians or muslims themselves don't want a change to their law, there's not much to be done here. We shouldn't enforce our culture over theirs, that's all I'm saying.

[Deleted]

I like the girl's idea...

Kill the fuckers.

Problem solved.

Congratulations your now a murderer and going to be stoned to death under Sharia law. How have you helped the overall situation to make it better?