Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

[Deleted]

Fair enough. What makes your moral code base the correct one that the rest of the world should follow?

You'd be surprised by how many follow the principle of harm. "Your rights ends where anothers begin", you might have heard of it.

[Primernova]

Yes, we should start conducting drone strikes on them and wipe out their entire society. Since of course, their entire way of life revolves around this concept.

Change has to be grass roots, or it will never end.

Drone strikes are pointless and actually add to the current problems, you know this, why bring it up?

[Deleted]

What this? HomeHoney is the girl in question? Are we supposed to let logic slide by the wayside because HomeHoney was the victim of a rape? Her story is not the same as the girl's in the main story, so no, she doesn't know what she is talking about either; or you, me and anyone else but the girl herself knows what happened and why.

What is more you are both applying your culture's goggles to the situation. The girl in question is not of your culture. Neither was her husband. Or her family. His family. His friends. Her friends. Do you realize how different their reality is? Her husband was 35 years old. That is, almost certainly, 35 years raised in a culture were he was bred to act the way he did, encouraged to do so, and even punished in the event of not complying with the norms of their society. And you label him a rapist? Without giving any thought to his life? That is illogical. And sadly typical of our western culture, with its flood of couch-critics that think just enough to convince themselves they did their right deed for the day by unleashing their keyboarding holy anger and wrath upon some perpetrator of evil or other; not giving a moment more to think why these things happen.

How do you know the husband wasn't a victim of his culture as well? How do you go on thinking you represent the side of justice and morality when you don't take a single moment to care about all involved? What about your condition of rampant judging? Do you think this is a healthy state to be in? Talking big about subjects that are extremely complicated, and condemning people you know next-to-nothing about? How about improving yourself and battling this ethical disease of our culture before trying to help others?

And actually help them, not help yourself feel better for a bit by writing on a gaming forum about something you won't probably bring a second time to mind after a few days if that. And help in a way that will help everyone, realizing that they are all a society, and if the vast majority change, willingly, then there will be no important change to speak of. The rebelling girl will probably die you know. That will almost certainly be the extent of her rebellion. And will most probably be forgotten by everyone other than her family and friends. Nothing will change for the better. If anything will remain it will probably be her story as a cautionary tale for young brides; that and the pain in the hearts of the people that care for her. Also a few tombs of people that just behaved the way they were taught to. All there is to this story is sadness; for the girl, her husband, the friends, the family.

The most disappointing part of it all is that these people seem to be in need of help to evolve spiritually; but the only people seeming able to help are too busy indulging in some ethical self-pleasuring by playing judge for the day.

I totally agree that he is a "victim" of his society and culture, and was probably pushed into thinking that forced marriages are okay etc etc. End of the day though, he's in a position of extreme privilidge within his society and culture, and she is in the absolute opposite position. I agree that he, his friends, the whole culture needs help to change. I am not trying to say that murder is okay. I have only ever said that in her position, her reaction is understandable and she should not be condemned for it. In reality, the whole culture needs to change / disappear, but this is about this single girl and what has / is going to happen to her.

[Deleted]

I'm sure it might. But then, I think Sharia Law is one of those things where military intervention by other countries is justified - for dismantling things like this.

Congratulations. You just sparked a global religious war.

As much as these things are horrific foreign military intervention to prevent religious ideals is a very slippery slope. Personally i think all religious should be outlawed as it does nothing but instill conflict. But that's my own views on that

[ShimmerSwirl]

You'd be surprised by how many follow the principle of harm. "Your rights ends where anothers begin", you might have heard of it.

Dodging the question. I didn't ask how many people believe it, I asked what makes it correct.

[Goradan]

As long as Nigerians or muslims themselves don't want a change to their law, there's not much to be done here. We shouldn't enforce our culture over theirs, that's all I'm saying.

True and I hate to admit that. I guess the only way for the laws to change is if the women themselves want it badly enough. The west is more then willing to help. I guess it just a case to them helping themselves before their laws can be changed to better suit them. Otherwise it's would lead to a "cultural shock."

[Dawnrage]

What this? HomeHoney is the girl in question? Are we supposed to let logic slide by the wayside because HomeHoney was the victim of a rape? Her story is not the same as the girl's in the main story, so no, she doesn't know what she is talking about either; or you, me and anyone else but the girl herself knows what happened and why.

What is more you are both applying your culture's goggles to the situation. The girl in question is not of your culture. Neither was her husband. Or her family. His family. His friends. Her friends. Do you realize how different their reality is? Her husband was 35 years old. That is, almost certainly, 35 years raised in a culture were he was bred to act the way he did, encouraged to do so, and even punished in the event of not complying with the norms of their society. And you label him a rapist? Without giving any thought to his life? That is illogical. And sadly typical of our western culture, with its flood of couch-critics that think just enough to convince themselves they did their right deed for the day by unleashing their keyboarding holy anger and wrath upon some perpetrator of evil or other; not giving a moment more to think why these things happen.

How do you know the husband wasn't a victim of his culture as well? How do you go on thinking you represent the side of justice and morality when you don't take a single moment to care about all involved? What about your condition of rampant judging? Do you think this is a healthy state to be in? Talking big about subjects that are extremely complicated, and condemning people you know next-to-nothing about? How about improving yourself and battling this ethical disease of our culture before trying to help others?

And actually help them, not help yourself feel better for a bit by writing on a gaming forum about something you won't probably bring a second time to mind after a few days if that. And help in a way that will help everyone, realizing that they are all a society, and if the vast majority change, willingly, then there will be no important change to speak of. The rebelling girl will probably die you know. That will almost certainly be the extent of her rebellion. And will most probably be forgotten by everyone other than her family and friends. Nothing will change for the better. If anything will remain it will probably be her story as a cautionary tale for young brides; that and the pain in the hearts of the people that care for her. Also a few tombs of people that just behaved the way they were taught to. All there is to this story is sadness; for the girl, her husband, the friends, the family.

The most disappointing part of it all is that these people seem to be in need of help to evolve spiritually; but the only people seeming able to help are too busy indulging in some ethical self-pleasuring by playing judge for the day.

I would upvote this if I could. Too bad most people will ignore the message this is trying to bring and just portray their "evil unto evil" motto as usual.

[Puupi]

Hey im not saying its not a stupid outdated practice. But you are saying that its the same as paedophilia, rape and potential murder of girls as young as 8 (there are stories of younger out there). YOU are saying that depriving a male child of his foreskin is the SAME as a paedophile raping and potentially killing a child

Do me a favour and go search Circumcision Fatalities. Then search Child Bride Fatalities. then tell me that these two things are the same.

Obviously raping a 8 year old to death isn't comparable to your average circumcision. Raping a 8 year old to death is, however, comparable to a death of an infant due to infection while doing a circumcision. That happens, not very often, but it happens. Child bride deaths happen, which is a very tragic thing. Most of the time it doesn't happen, though. Just because there have been some crazy child rapers doesn't mean all, or most, men are like that.

[zephid]

Dodging the question. I didn't ask how many people believe it, I asked what makes it correct.

Don't waste your time trying to get an answer to that question since there's no right answer. Morals are all subjective which means that there is no "correct" moral code.

[Deleted]

Dodging the question. I didn't ask how many people believe it, I asked what makes it correct.

What makes it not correct unless you're someone who want to be harming people?

[Deleted]

True and I hate to admit that. I guess the only way for the laws to change is if the women themselves want it badly enough. The west is more then willing to help. I guess it just a case to them helping themselves before their laws can be changed to better suit them. Otherwise it's would lead to a "cultural shock."

The laws already exist as far as the updated OP shows. But it seems Nigeria wont apply them. My guess is due to fear of a religious backlash as seen in other African states where muslim/christian groups are still intent on killing each other

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Don't waste your time trying to get an answer to that question since there's no right answer. Morals are all subjective which means that there is no "correct" moral code.

Yet Mooneye seems to be of the opinion that his/hers is the correct way. That's why the whole argument with him/her is pointless. So stuck in the mindset of what i believe is correct because you cannot prove otherwise

[Deleted]

Don't waste your time trying to get an answer to that question since there's no right answer. Morals are all subjective which means that there is no "correct" moral code.

Moral relativism is and have always been a bullshit position used to condone oppression.

[Primernova]

Congratulations. You just sparked a global religious war.

As much as these things are horrific foreign military intervention to prevent religious ideals is a very slippery slope. Personally i think all religious should be outlawed as it does nothing but instill conflict. But that's my own views on that

You don't like the concept of a fight, do you?

Having a large group of people against you, or maybe even just one?

Some do, and the world is a much better place for their actions.

[zephid]

Moral relativism is and have always been a bullshit position used to condone oppression.

Doesn't change the fact that there is no objective moral truth.

[Deleted]

Yet Mooneye seems to be of the opinion that his/hers is the correct way. That's why the whole argument with him/her is pointless. So stuck in the mindset of what i believe is correct because you cannot prove otherwise

Two things: please use "their" instead of his/hers if possible, it helps to make gender neutral etc people feel less alienated.

Also, it's pretty easy to accept that a policy of "if it doesn't hurt others, then it's okay" or "your rights rights end where another's begin" is a pretty universally okay way to live your life, and should / can work for everyone

[Deleted]

So many wats.

She killed him, what makes you think she would've grown to like him?

She killed him because she's nuts, not because there was something wrong with him.

Please stop victimising the criminal.

It only further paints you as a misandrist.

[Deleted]

Doesn't change the fact that there is no objective moral truth.

It's quite certain that there is a degree of objective morality if you look at laws in countries and look at what they have in common.

[Puupi]

You don't like the concept of a fight, do you?

Having a large group of people against you, or maybe even just one?

Some do, and the world is a much better place for their actions.

Are you saying that killing people in the name *insertyourreligionorgodhere* is a good thing?

[Deleted]

She killed him because she's nuts, not because there was something wrong with him.

Please stop victimising the criminal.

It only further paints you as a misandrist.

I'm not sure if you are joking? http://www.autostraddle.com/helpful-...-thing-170632/

Misandry isn't a thing.

[Deleted]

She killed him because she's nuts, not because there was something wrong with him.

Or, more likely she killed him because she was forced to marry and live with him, while playing the role of a wife and this was the only way to escape it that she could think of.

We have terms for this kind of thing; Abuction, Slavery and potentially Rape.