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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
    I think its to make the character more believable. How many full on macho women do you see in "real life" I don't agree with there needing to be an element of frailty but a dose of perspective within a character is needed. As to the too butch part it falls again (for me) into the first comment. Is it believable? if so then no problem. But most of the time when it gets to that extent its over done to try and prove a point which makes it far too obvious and detracts from the character.
    Fair enough men and women have different core personallies and why I hate Double standard is because it creates stereotypes or men and women to follow or else they are disgrace to their repective gender. Having human beings becoming more mentally androgynous could in my own opinion help both genders have respect for one another, and although we are on the right path still their is still a long way to go. but I don't want It to go too far become too mentally Androgynous.
    Nihilism is not the end but the beginning of what is real. Making something out of nothing.
    Yeah I'm an Asshole but I'd rather be critical as fuck than to sugarcoat everything in fear of offending people. Get tough and endure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    Then the west is more savage than the jungle of Kurast.

    She murdered innocent men and left kids fatherless.

    She could've just ran away, but because she is a psycho she had to kill them.

    I hope she gets the death penalty.
    What can I say, we in the west moved on from slavery a long time ago.

  3. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    The people saying she was wrong to poison them all are... deluded.

    They were accomplices in her enslavement and rape. They deserved what they got. Looking at you Nixx, culture and tradition are not excuses.
    I apologize for understanding human moral development in even the most basic way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Well, I don't watch TV all that much really, so I'm not really in a position to answer your question directly, but I can answer it generally:

    People want to watch shows with characters they can identify with. That much is really obvious, and you only have to look at how many lesbians in the US / UK who have watched "The L word". When you have a society where men in movies are shown as anything and everything that they desire to be, you have a huge array of role models to look up to, people to aspire to. Pick any treat that you find admirable (be it strength, intelligence, whatever) and you can find hundreds of male role models in the media to look up to. If you are a big tough guy who wants to watch big tough guys doing big tough guy things, you can find 100 shows about it. If you are a intelligent critical thinking kind of guy, you can find 100s of shows about men doing intelligent critical thinking kind of things. If you are a sensitive kind compassionate guy you can find 100's of examples of shows with these types of guys represented - And everything in between.

    If you are a woman, and you want to watch a show with someone you can relate to as a main character, and you don't see yourself as a love interest for a man, or a damsel in distress, or generally inferior to your male counterparts, there are very very few examples of this and you are really limited in what you can watch.

    The result of this is a society of people who grow up seeing men as capable of anything they want, and women as capable of little more than being a love interest and a damsel, and women growing up with very few people in the media that they can relate to and look up to.
    You tell me you don't watch much TV then go on to make a point you cannot quantify.

    Il list some strong female role models if you like

    Khaleesi Daenerys Targaryen : Game of thrones
    Olivia Pope : scandal
    Selina Meyer : veep
    Jessica Pearson: Suits (pretty decent show too)
    Diane Lockhart: the good wife
    Claire Underwood : House of cards
    Violet Crawley : Downton abbey
    Amy Farrah Fowler: The big bang theory

    Hell you could even add Dora the explorer if you want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    Yeah, therefore - you can't refuse to perform abortions or you get problems.
    Which is totally fine to be honest. If you want to work as a medical professional you should be ok with performing all medical procedures you are qualified to perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    The result of this is a society of people who grow up seeing men as capable of anything they want, and women as capable of little more than being a love interest and a damsel, and women growing up with very few people in the media that they can relate to and look up to.
    I don't know what shows you watch, but shows these days have strong female leads in them. If anything, I would say that shows are going out of their way to make sure they have strong female leads for the most part, perhaps in response to all the feminist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Blackmailing isn't illegal in Sweden?
    Yeah, it is. But depending on what you do it can be labelled as something else, such as sexual coercion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bervose View Post
    What can I say, we in the west moved on from slavery a long time ago.
    Yet you cheer for mass murder.

    /clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Easy to say when you've not been socialised to believe that your lot in life is to obey and be subservient to men. As a man you are socialised to believe that if you don't want to do something you just don't do it. That's not always the case for women.
    Well in Finland that does not happen. I seriously doubt this is the case outside of fundamentalist religious communities in the US/UK, too.

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    They were accomplices in her enslavement and rape.
    What rape? She wasn't raped by anyone.

    And if she was, it's their culture. Those people DON'T KNOW BETTER. That's not enough to warrant all of them being killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    Yet you cheer for mass murder.

    /clap
    Actually if you'd read this thread you'd know I do not applaud what the girl did. However killing an abductor is something that you cannot blame her for. Killing the other people however was wrong but considering her situation I'm not going to call her evil for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Easy to say when you've not been socialised to believe that your lot in life is to obey and be subservient to men. As a man you are socialised to believe that if you don't want to do something you just don't do it. That's not always the case for women.
    Bullshit. Women in the UK (and you damned well know this) are not brought up like this. If you were then blame your own parents. The main thing that gets in the way of women who want to advance themselves is the woman!

    If you want something go get it. If you don't then don't. The UK doesnt teach anything other than that. Or should i point out that girls generally out achieve boys across the examination spectrum. or that more women go to university than men. Or that more men die on the job than women ect ect. I can spin this right back at you but dont start making crass points a sprouting unproven feministic rhetoric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
    You tell me you don't watch much TV then go on to make a point you cannot quantify.

    Il list some strong female role models if you like

    Khaleesi Daenerys Targaryen : Game of thrones
    Olivia Pope : scandal
    Selina Meyer : veep
    Jessica Pearson: Suits (pretty decent show too)
    Diane Lockhart: the good wife
    Claire Underwood : House of cards
    Violet Crawley : Downton abbey
    Amy Farrah Fowler: The big bang theory

    Hell you could even add Dora the explorer if you want
    The only one in that list I've seen is Game of Thrones, and Daenerys is one of the worst examples you could have picked. She's sold away to Drogo for an army and raped by him, but through the power of rape, she falls in love with him, has his child and follows him around everywhere. It's only after she has lost her love interest / rapist that she has nothing left to live for so does the rest of the things she does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    Yeah, therefore - you can't refuse to perform abortions or you get problems.



    It isn't, the max sentence for sexual coercion is 2 years max. The max sentence for rape is 6 and the minimum is 2.
    That's sucks. the time for rape should be at least 8+ for the bastards who do it.
    Nihilism is not the end but the beginning of what is real. Making something out of nothing.
    Yeah I'm an Asshole but I'd rather be critical as fuck than to sugarcoat everything in fear of offending people. Get tough and endure.

  15. #795
    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    Some things are wrong regardless of what cultural, religious, or societal mores may tell the perpetrators.
    Rape is wrong, even if society says otherwise.
    Child abuse is wrong, even if a culture might endorse it.
    Female circumcision is wrong, even if social mores encourage/require it.
    Burying female babies alive is wrong, even if society says it's the thing to do if you have a girl child.
    Gang raping a woman is still wrong, even if the head man of your village says you should do it.
    Killing your daughter because she's "brought shame" on your family is still wrong, even if your culture endorses the practice.

    You can understand that another culture has its own mores and values, but that does not excuse you of the moral obligation to say, "This is wrong." Some things are objectively wrong no matter what culture you're looking at.
    Objectively speaking, nihilism is true. There are no objective moral standards, just standards that many of us have agreed are universal in their authority. That doesn't suddenly make it reasonable to expect people raised in that society to have a spontaneous epiphany and decide all of their values and customs are wrong.

  16. #796
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    Yet you cheer for mass murder.

    /clap
    Of slavers and child rapists. I cannot even begin to express the depths of my contempt for moral relativism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goranus View Post
    Talking about Scandinavia. I Once heard a story(this was not in the news BTW) when a guy and his girlfriend at a club and there was it asshole who was hitting on his girlfriend and try to molest her and he got into an argument with him the boyfriend who verbally owned him. then the asshole attacked him but got beaten. But the Boyfriend was caught and fine by the cops for defending his girlfriend.
    'once heard a story' being the key part. Maybe the cops thought that the boyfriend was just being drunk & rowdy, saw a guy look at his girlfriend, and went off on them. The story after the fact being a 'uhh... I WAS DEFENDING HER!'

    and while I'm pretty much for freedom of choice in everything... I gotta play devil's advocate to some comments about the legality of abortion...

    In the US, when a man has sex with a woman, and she has a child... either by accident, conniving, or a failure of birth control. The guy is told to pay up, because if he didn't want a child he shouldn't have had sex.

    Are there people that are OK with this, but scream foul play when a woman in another country is told that if she didn't want a child she shouldn't have had sex ?

  18. #798
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukioish View Post
    Now now, internet psychos, she DID murder a whole bunch of people. Lets not celebrate that fact too much, eh? Nothing good came of this, whether the marriage or the murder, so lets just agree that life isn't fair.
    I will celebrate it all day and night. This girl is a hero, the people that she killed were scum. The society that spawned this situation needs to be destroyed and rebuilt; the only way to do that is through acts like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    and while I'm pretty much for freedom of choice in everything... I gotta play devil's advocate to some comments about the legality of abortion...

    In the US, when a man has sex with a woman, and she has a child... either by accident, conniving, or a failure of birth control. The guy is told to pay up, because if he didn't want a child he shouldn't have had sex.

    Are there people that are OK with this, but scream foul play when a woman in another country is told that if she didn't want a child she shouldn't have had sex ?
    There's already an abortion thread: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...e-does-it-well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
    Bullshit. Women in the UK (and you damned well know this) are not brought up like this. If you were then blame your own parents. The main thing that gets in the way of women who want to advance themselves is the woman!

    If you want something go get it. If you don't then don't. The UK doesnt teach anything other than that. Or should i point out that girls generally out achieve boys across the examination spectrum. or that more women go to university than men. Or that more men die on the job than women ect ect. I can spin this right back at you but dont start making crass points a sprouting unproven feministic rhetoric
    Sorry, but it is the case in a lot of cases. It's not as extreme as in the west, but half the shit girls grow up watching (disney movies since forever) just teach you that your lot in life is to find a prince and marry him and make babies and live happily ever after under his bootheel.

    And yep, a lot of things are bad for men, but all of the things you just listed are a result of the patriarchy - which is a system of oppression implemented by men. Just, occasionally it bites back against men. That doesn't mean that the patriarchy and oppression of women isn't a real thing.

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