Marriage leads to having a home, food and kids. A woman without a husband has nothing in poor muslim countries.
Faith? What faith? If her parents said she is going to get married to that man, what "faith" should there still be? If she killed her parents before the agreement of the marriage had been made, she wouldn't have been married to that man. It's just as moral as her killing her husband.It could very well still have and she may have actually had faith in her parents.
Yes, your logic was flawed and therefore stupid. I didn't call you stupid, you made the conclusion yourself.You said my "logic is stupid" which by extension implies the same of me.
Right.. Education is what they need.. Most places that are in the "grips" of arranged marriages and what not often have other, "weird" and out-dated customs. Many of which are only products of insane rulers, misplaced beliefs in certain religions, and just an all-around misguided view of life & how life is meant to be lived.
Bashing a culture and saying "You're wrong! You're wrong!" Does nothing but fuel hate & animosity towards eachother.. (Look at the muslims & 9/11) Obviously they have a problem with how we live & what not.. But, did they come n talk to us about it? Try to appeal to reason? No, they flew our own planes into our buildings.
But, that type of thinking, usually comes from places who have arranged marriages, the women are "no one", and the children work like adults.
Again though.. You can't really scream for "freedom of choice" and then want everyone to act & live the way we do.
It's a two-way street, just because you don't agree with the choice they made, they still were able to make a choice to live & marry that way.
What I see most of all from people in this thread is that, you want to give "freedom of choice", but then you also want to make sure whomever makes "the right" choice. (according to you)
It's really quite funny.. I believe 90% of you here, don't know what the "right way" is.
<~$~("The truth, is limitless in its range. If you drop a 'T' and look at it in reverse, it could hurt.")~$~> L.F.
<~$~("The most hopelessly stupid man is he who is not aware he is wise.")~$~> I.A.
Ok maybe I should have been a little more specific. I personally think that the ones who whole heartedly believe that this is right should suffer. But I also know that there is and always will be collateral in such situations. As for her female relatives. I have a mixed stances. On hand I wish stood up form themselves like she do but they deserve to suffer for their inaction. But the same time what could they do? And that leaves me a little mff'ed at the whole ordeal as I believe that the murder the bride committed was justified but a lot of people are bitching about she should have done it and that would leave she to become a fuck doll for her husband.
But what I also this has done is that It will make waves in the international community and help them realise that the humanitarian aid given to people isn't wasted because the people are stupid and stubborn in changing their ways. but that they need it more than ever because of the actions of this girl in Nigeria being the one out of millions who took action while the rest of the young girls in nigeria wish to do it but are too afraid to do such a drastic but brave thing.
Do you honestly think that muslims didn't talk to you before 9/11? As long as there has been US presence in the Arabic states (from 1980's or so) there has been lots of talk between those two factions. It's not like they just suddenly decided that USA is evil and smash planes into the buildings. They tried discussion, didn't work.
By the way, there is no "right way".
Good riddance
Because discussion doesn't work in a situation such as that.. This thread is basically all that in a nut shell.. Some people believe the way that another group of people live is "wrong". There is no reasoning with either, because the "problems" to begin with are un-reasonable. Just as a bunch of us, going over and blowing up some Nigerien places, because they have arranged marriages.
The only need for discussion is for those with the problem to discuss within themselves, why they have a problem with it in the first place.
<~$~("The truth, is limitless in its range. If you drop a 'T' and look at it in reverse, it could hurt.")~$~> L.F.
<~$~("The most hopelessly stupid man is he who is not aware he is wise.")~$~> I.A.
This is why I said "Karma is a two way street." Even if we could label her motive as worthy to perform an act of self-defense, I don't think you can ever justify collateral in whatever self-defense you may be attempting. Thus why I think she deserves punishment for her actions, no matter how 'justified' she could have been in wanting to react against the situation she was in. Applaud her desire to get out of it, but mourn the unnecessary death and suffering she caused. Let it be a lesson for all to learn from: 1) that there is a situation in Nigeria that needs correcting, and 2) there is a right way to go about getting out of it.
While I agree with your sentiment to a degree, he's hardly a pedophile. The age of consent in more than a few US states is 14, and our marriage laws allow for pretty young marriages as well with parental consent. In a third world nation like Nigeria, he's even less of a pedophile from a cultural standpoint. And you really think that it was OK of her to poison her husband's friends as well as her husband?
Erm I don't know maybe just poisoning him? Who would suspect her? She got caught because she was wildly incompetent and naive.
?I did not call him a pedophile, and while he might not have felt like a rapist because of the culture he was raised in, the fact is that the girl was his sex slave. She did not consent to the marriage, therefore she did not consent to consummate the marriage. She was facing a lifetime of rape, and possibly death, because a child bearing a child is potentially deadly, especially in those parts of the world.
She is not his sex slave, she is his wife. They're not bound by your hypocritical Western morality as they're in an Islamic state where it's perfectly justified to wed a 14 year old. Are you aware that child marriage was a common practice found everywhere in the world as late as the 20th century even in the West?
A wildly incompetent and naive 14 year old. Who would have thought?
So you disagree with the U.N. labor organization which classifies early and forced marriage as modern-day slavery. Again, I ask, what makes you more qualified to decide what does and does not constitute slavery?
Buying a slave, and then buying a ring for their finger doesn't emancipate them. The practice of selling daughters as child brides is essentially socially sanctioned child trafficking.
Just because you are a moral absolutist doesn't mean that you are right.
You want to enforce your morals upon others, just because you think you are right and they are wrong.
One should think morals as a strategy. There are various strategies to achieve the same goal. Some are more efficient than others.
Here the goal is a working society. Their strategy, aka morals, works to achieve that. As such, no matter how loud you shout, it won't change because their system works and it's efficient. A unilateral free will would probably make their society crumble. If their present system didn't work, they would want to rework their strategy - but for now there is no need. The only way you can change their society now is to enforce yours upon them. Which I think is immoral.