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  1. #921
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    We know she was in a forced marriage. That is all you need to know. Any other circumstances are irrelevant.
    That's not true.

    Situation 1: girl is in a forced marriage. Her husband is a sadist who tortures and rapes her daily.
    Situation 2: girl is in a forced marriage. Her husband is generally kind to her and treats her with at least a small amount of respect.

    Would you be willing to say the differences between those two situations are irrelevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I've been forced to do tons of stuff in my life. Some things just need to be done. In a muslim world, marriage is one of them.
    Being forced to take the trash out or being forced to do your homework are a little different to being forced to marry (potentially for life) a man you do not wish to marry, to have sex with him as and when he desires (as is the case in their culture), bear his children without a say in the matter, and risk your life in doing so.

    You have to see there is a bit of a difference in those things. Even the most serious things you are forced to do in the west (like... you are forced (pretty much) to go to a particular school by your parents) are really nothing compared to that. Also, in the west you have a lot more legal protection for the extreme things you don't want to do. You have places you can call (child abuse places like Childline) if the things you are being forced to do are too extreme.

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    we can and should have the moral obligation to step in and see these human rights are upheld.
    To quote the Internet about Obama:

    '' Syrians killing Syrians! Let's kill the Syrians so they can stop killing Syrians! ''

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    SO much unfair death in this world, to good people who don't deserve it. So when situations like this occur, i'm quite happy with how it turned out. I mean put yourself in her shoes. Right you can't.

  5. #925
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    She wanted to kill them, which makes her a psycho.
    People desire to kill and do kill for many reasons that are not attributable to psychopathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fexus View Post
    That's not true.

    Situation 1: girl is in a forced marriage. Her husband is a sadist who tortures and rapes her daily.
    Situation 2: girl is in a forced marriage. Her husband is generally kind to her and treats her with at least a small amount of respect.

    Would you be willing to say the differences between those two situations are irrelevant?
    Absolutley. In both cases regardless of whether the husband is nice or not, a child in a forced marriage that she does not want to be in is utterly disgusting and unforgiveable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    Yeah no.

    If she was desperate to get out she could've put something less strong in.

    She wanted to kill them, which makes her a psycho.
    Ah the judgments of the first world. Of course she would have the access and skill to a poison that would only target her husband at a party with multiple people in Nigeria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Absolutley. In both cases regardless of whether the husband is nice or not, a child in a forced marriage that she does not want to be in is utterly disgusting and unforgiveable.
    So is killing four people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    She wanted to kill them, which makes her a psycho.
    Unless it's self-defense against rape and possibly death. A man or woman has the right to defend themselves from rape and death, or do you not believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Absolutley. In both cases regardless of whether the husband is nice or not, a child in a forced marriage that she does not want to be in is utterly disgusting and unforgiveable.
    They're not always bad. My great-grandmother was able to come to the states because of a forced marriage. Well, the only other alternative was die to the turks like most her family, so it wasn't quite as bad of a choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Imadraenei View Post
    You can find that unbiased view somewhere between Atlantis and that unicorn farm down the street, just off Interstate √(-1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    Ah the judgments of the first world. Of course she would have the access and skill to a poison that would only target her husband at a party with multiple people in Nigeria.
    You speak as if a drop of rat poison and a gallon have the same effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Absolutley. In both cases regardless of whether the husband is nice or not, a child in a forced marriage that she does not want to be in is utterly disgusting and unforgiveable.
    That's a ludicrous stance to take. Just because two situations can be considerable deplorable, doesn't mean one cannot be objectively worse than the other. What if the first girl is kept chained up underground all day without food or water, but the other is well nourished and treated with a shred of dignity. You cannot seriously argue that their situations are equally deplorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    They're not always bad. My great-grandmother was able to come to the states because of a forced marriage. Well, the only other alternative was die to the turks like most her family, so it wasn't quite as bad of a choice.
    That's really lucky, but I don't think we should allow forced marriages where the bride does not want to be in the marriage just in case in the future they have to move countries to avoid persecution

  14. #934
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratra View Post
    Unless it's self-defense against rape and possibly death. A man or woman has the right to defend themselves from rape and death, or do you not believe that?
    Will you stop treating your suppositions that the man would rape her as fact?

    Just because you have a penis doesn't mean you are a rapist.

    Jesus, you people. You claim to want equality but every man's a fucking rapist in your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fexus View Post
    That's a ludicrous stance to take. Just because two situations can be considerable deplorable, doesn't mean one cannot be objectively worse than the other. What if the first girl is kept chained up underground all day without food or water, but the other is well nourished and treated with a shred of dignity. You cannot seriously argue that their situations are equally deplorable.
    Okay, the one with the abusive husband is worse, but they both fall below the line of "things there is absolutley no excuse on this earth for allowing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratra View Post
    Answer these questions:

    If she didn't consent to the marriage, how did she consent to consummating it? Could she have faced potential repercussions for leaving? Could she have faced potential repercussions for attempting to refuse sexual intercourse?
    We don't know if they even consummated. You cannot call him a rapist, we don't know if they had sex.

    She probably would've been caught if she ran, I never said she should've ran though... There's no easy answer however planning to kill 14 people when you only have an issue with 1 is crazy.

    Again I don't know what went on in their bedroom. For all we know they could've just have had a lovers spat and she overreacted. We simply don't have the whole picture.


    Perhaps a 14 year old girl who for whatever silly reasons feels as if she was raped, and is facing a lifetime of more rape, and is probably going to be expected to bear the children of whom she feels is her rapist, which could very possibly kill her? Do you not acknowledge any remote possibility that this girl felt she had been raped? Growing up in a culture that condones rape doesn't make the rape victim feel any less raped, it just allows the rapist to escape culpability.
    Refusing to put out for your Husband is not rape in their country so you cannot call it rape. Marital rape has only been a crime in the West for what only 30-40 years? Again with the double standards and the righteousness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    You speak as if a drop of rat poison and a gallon have the same effect.
    You speak as if a drop of rat poison would have specifically targeted the husband, and no one else.
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  18. #938
    Quote Originally Posted by Noomz View Post
    Are you seriously trying to make light of child rape?
    What do you suggest this girl should've done to save herself from rape and forced marriage? There is absolutely nothing she could've done. NOTHING! She took matters into her own hands and punished all the people who obviously didn't give two shits about her or her well-being.
    Anyone attending a child rapist forced wedding sincerely deserves whatever suffering they get.
    They forgot the fact its north Nigeria. Muslims are allowed, or follow there own shariah law. (Nigería's own federal law actually forbids marriage before 18) And I doubt a 14yo got any other way to escape. I got the feeling she thought murder was the only way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    You speak as if a drop of rat poison would have specifically targeted the husband, and no one else.
    It wouldn't have killed 3 people and hospitalised 10.

    That, I guarantee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffHast View Post
    It wouldn't have killed 3 people and hospitalised 10.

    That, I guarantee.
    Might not have killed anyone, including her husband. Imagine what he would have done to her.
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