Originally Posted by
urieliszcze
The post we seem to be commenting on does not specify Silver as the level of PG achievement that will unlock HC5s. It can just as well be Endless 10, 30 or Bronze. Considering the overall levels of snowflake pandering in Bliz announcements so far, I expect it somewhere around Gold.
Trying to cast people who don't want to bother with some contrived "trials" as "bads" is, indeed, elitism. Current dynamics of WoW already eliminate some of the most skillful players who simply no longer have time for all the extra shit required to stay relevant Where The Fun Is (my old friend was offsetting the grind he had no time for with his seriously mad skllz until well into Pandaland, then quit due to overflow of time-consuming compulsory crap; he was on cutting edge of HC raiding back in WotLK and Cata, but your ignorance would cast him as a bad anyway). Wish I could link his armory, but he's off for too long.
Any attempts at justifying 7M subs forcibly sponsoring a minority (we'll see just how big, but I won't be surprised if it never gets above 1M) for which a lot of extra content is developed, is not even just elitism, it's Entitlement Princess pure and proud.
What does one have to do with another?
Well, if it's just Silver after adjustments to give all specs level playing field - we're all OK. Nothing special about beating it. Too bad expecting anything like this from Blizzard is a surefire recipe for sad disappointment. It will most likely be closer to Gold and in the very least as broken as current PGs. It's Blizzard we're talking about here. Which is to say, a whole "tier" of content, advertised as very well made and challenging (read: it consumed a considerable chunk of development time) will only be available to people with spare time to roll a PG-friendly spec and gather PG-friendly gear. Read: minority. I will not elaborate on moral implications of holding a position all WoW users should pay the same sub money while it's being spent on stuff most of them will never access.
I'm QA, I don't mind redundancy at all. I'd LOVE some actual redundancy in this context, as in: PG minigames actually resembling group content. In my case it's not all that terribly relevant, since with Silver Tank and Gold Damage I'm already past the gate, but all borderline cases when people are very useful in actual groups while struggling with PG will be screwed. YES, I've read it the first time, Bliz said they will change PGs. So what? I'm just a WotLK kid, but I did have the time to see just how much to expect from such statements.
VP go away, so no more valour speedruns. This actually makes sense, as long as it doesn't replace speed levelling of alts by heirlooms with paid boosts entirely.
No. She was struggling with last stages of Silver Healing PG on her holy priest while already dominating LFRuns with people 10-20ilvls above her. Then she used her newly dinged resto shammy in timeless "gear" and breezed through both Silver and Gold. Same player, maybe slightly improved skill, an order of magnitude improvement in PG results.
No. It reqiures either high competency or a spec compatible with its gimmicky design. I can agree about damage, neither my hunter nor DK had any problem with it. Can't say about tanking besides doing Silver on first try with my DK, which doesn't actually mean anything to me.
Pure unadulterated bullshit. Once again, mah gurl was already a dominating carrier in LFR while still struggling with PG Silver. Same toon and same player, just a completely different game.
Of course, once you accepted the "PG = Competence" dogma, I can't really expect you to believe any of that.
If PG made any actual sense in any context, I would actually shout out loud to make it also a gate for LFR so that I wouldn't see so many people queuing as dps, coming on a blood DK in Timeless gear and doing 22k.
But they don't and there's much more than not knowing your class that contributes to LFR wipes.
What will it actually be in WoD, time will tell, but considering the consistent string of failures in design, balance and so on in recent years I don't expect it to be any better in any aspect, particularly as a check to see whether you have what it takes to complete tough group content.