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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Alright, for the last time.

    Increasing people's qualifications simply saturates the market, meaning qualified workers end up doing minimum wage jobs with no net change.
    There's the rub with the way the economy has become. Plenty of people with skill, and then when they do spend their money they spend it on McShit and made in China crap. So the only economic activity they spur is in the retail, fast food, and transportation industries. So either you're a geological surveyor, a burger flipper or a truck driver. It's absolutely unsustainable where it is right now.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    The invisible hand of the market will lift people up and out of poverty.

    By their bootstraps.


    With elbow grease.
    Too bad nothing actually shows that.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Too bad nothing actually shows that.
    Apparently the sarcasm wasn't blatant enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raeph View Post
    I'm personally hesitant to take the line that it is better for the economy that you increase the minimum wage. I would rather that effort be spent on getting those who are low wage earners trained with marketable skills so that they employment potential goes up and they are lifted out of minimum wage by training.

    Case in point: Place I worked at before was a customer service center, doing back office work. One of the women I work with was a late 30-something college graduate with a business degree. She made about 31k a year at her current job. The entire office was shut down and she lost her job. She filed for a retraining grant, got a CDL and now makes 72k a year. I saw her a few months ago, driving a new car, and fairly happy, though she went from working 38 hours a week (long story don't ask) to 65 hours a week.

    I personally would rather that the government work through business that only pay their workers minimum wage and though private or public social workers find ways of training each one with marketable skills to increase their earning potential.

    Which works better for the economy. Getting a guy who current makes $7.25 an hour, working 40 hours a week($290 a week), but who will be at that spot forever because he has no other skills or training someone to be say a plumber, electrician, CDL truck driver or some other skilled labor field, where he makes $15-18 an hour, working 50+ hours a week ($825 a week, at $15 an hour with OT after 40).

    Just checking my towns classifieds we have 8 CDL positions, 10-15 oilfield specialized positions, two IT positions and a bilingual sales position. Lowest wage is one of the IT positions at 40 grand a year salary. Common denominator? Skilled labor each one of them.
    The problem with your thinking is. We need people do do low skill jobs, and we can't have all those people on welfare because we're allowing employers to underpay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Too bad nothing actually shows that.
    As I've said before, the fact that conservatives' ideology is based upon performing a physically impossible action tells you all you need to know about how connected their ideology is to reality.

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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by luckybeer View Post
    If you make minimum wage you should be living with roommates or co-dependents.
    So minimum wage should be insufficient to support yourself.
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    They knew it was not going to pass before they took the vote, matter of fact they knew when they brought up the idea it was not going to pass. They need to worry about making the environment conducive enough for employer to want to create jobs. If you make enough competition between similar wage jobs the employers will be forced to raise pay per hour on there own. If we did not have thing like NAFTA and few other trade agreements we should have not made under both party in the last 20 or so years. People would not be having the hard of time finding good paying job right now.

    But these people needing job or a higher wage won't have to worry very long because they will be called up to fight in the coming world war that Obama trying very hard to get into, though Europe just does not seem to want to bite right now they need the oil and gas from Russia. It like the junkie on crack, they can't stop at this point they are hooked and Putin know this. I find it funny he measured all these people, including Mr. Draw A Red Line Obama. He took measure and now he is going to have back half of what Russia has lost over time.

    Dems are completely stupid, because mid term elections do not bring the lower class out that voted for Obama for two cycles. Dems are going to lose big and then Mr. Obama will be able to go one a two vacation and play golf as much as he want because unless in drastically bend over and takes it like a man, he won't be passing anything through either chamber. It be much like GW Bush his last two years in office when the Dems took over. He took nicely up the back side and spent more time in TX at the ranch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    The problem is the cost of rent, imo

    *Though I think the minimum wage should be raised.
    You've got a point.

    The rent IS too damn high.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightspear View Post
    yep. Rising minimum wage will create jobs.
    Yes it will, good to see others know this common sense thing.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    It's high for some places, low for others. Which is why I favor an adjusted minimum wage that varies from location to location and has built in increases tied to economic growth (so we can stop having this debate every five years).
    I never understand why people still use constants instead of functions for these things, would save so much trouble and be more adaptive to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    By their bootstraps.
    Lifting oneself up by ones bootstraps is intended to demonstrate an impossible task. Go ahead, try it. Lift yourself off the ground by pulling on your feet with your hands.
    It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning.

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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    So minimum wage should be insufficient to support yourself.
    It is currently and even at 10 bucks it's almost unsustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Lifting oneself up by ones bootstraps is intended to demonstrate an impossible task. Go ahead, try it. Lift yourself off the ground by pulling on your feet with your hands.
    See below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    Apparently the sarcasm wasn't blatant enough.
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  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    It is currently and even at 10 bucks it's almost unsustainable.
    $10/hr around here would be doable, I think. Might have $100-150 left over every month to spend on luxuries.
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  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    It is currently and even at 10 bucks it's almost unsustainable.
    Because the economy itself isn't sustainable.

    Even when people are making more money at their minimum wage jobs they aren't going to be spending that money on locally manufactured goods. So they aren't going to create skilled trade jobs. They are going to create walmart greeting and burger flipping jobs.

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    Tinykong. Well it took me 10 secs to see it was sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Its easy to vote against it. You just have to be bought and sold by the corporations, like most the GOP.

    Well I'll just add this to my list of Reasons I'll Never Vote for the GOP for Anything. Item #2981.
    Democrats are "owned" just as much as Republicans in that regard.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    See below:
    Well with your previous posts on subjects with Republicans doing something you like, tends to show that you aren't being sarcastic. I took that as you were advocating for them to actually not raise the minimum wage. Also sarcasm doesn't show very well in print.

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    Nothing will change, until poor ppl are so fed up, that they start bitch slapping their congress people around.
    Which - quite frankly - they'd deserve
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