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    Quote Originally Posted by Twotonsteak View Post
    Do you know what I see? I check sites like monster.com, I look at store fronts as I travel around, and I see better jobs out there. Truck drivers, trade-skills, medical professionals, teachers....these are all jobs that pay far more than minimum wage, there in-demand, and they don't cost a fortune in "higher education" fee's. Hell my township is hiring "laborers" at $10/hour. No prior experience or skills required.

    There ARE better jobs out there. Those jobs DO pay more.

    So remind me again about how there are just no other options...
    You can't be serious. Trade schools do cost a lot of money for higher education. I spent over a year and a half going full time to become a certified welder. The only reason I could do that was because the state was paying for it. And it wasn't cheap. And I know it takes a crap load of more schooling to be a teacher or anything in the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Unfortunately the left wing people here will just tell you its anecdotal evidence and isnt true. I see it everywhere around here too. Usually its hard labor jobs and people are too lazy to work them
    No we will tell him he isn't making a point. He hasn't even put forth evidence for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    The American dream according to a republican.
    The American Dream isnt to have an easy job and have everything you want. Its to have the OPPORTUNITY to work your knuckles to the bone if you wish, in order to have anything you want. To EARN a home and other things

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    Quote Originally Posted by goblinpaladin View Post
    if i have a billion dollars, and those dollars buy less i lose, if i have a billion dollar debt, i suddenly owe less. (in real money).
    And you realize if I make minimum wage and I go to buy a gallon of milk and it costs more I lose right? I appreciate you standing up for the billionaires we need more people like that but they'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    And you realize if I make minimum wage and I go to buy a gallon of milk and it costs more I lose right? I appreciate you standing up for the billionaires we need more people like that but they'll be fine.
    What makes you think the gallon of milk costing more is in any way relative to making minimum wage?
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    You understand prices rising is due to inflation yes?
    Prices don't rise because of inflation. Prices rising is called inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    And you realize if I make minimum wage and I go to buy a gallon of milk and it costs more I lose right? I appreciate you standing up for the billionaires we need more people like that but they'll be fine.
    Are you purposefully dense?.
    In a rampant inflationary scenario the people owning money would lose as that money loses value, and last i checker the bottom third of America is in debt, I.E they would gain from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    The American Dream isnt to have an easy job and have everything you want. Its to have the OPPORTUNITY to work your knuckles to the bone if you wish, in order to have anything you want. To EARN a home and other things
    Really? Because presently people are working their knuckles to the bone and still struggling to get by because people like you continually advocate for the removal of public assistance programs and lower wages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    You understand prices rising is due to inflation yes?
    The prices rising every year is due to inflation. Stagnant wages means people are behind where they were years ago. Those who got their big start and made a small business when minimum wage in 1978 was effectively ~10.50 in 2013 dollars are now trying to pull that ladder up behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    The American Dream isnt to have an easy job and have everything you want. Its to have the OPPORTUNITY to work your knuckles to the bone if you wish, in order to have anything you want. To EARN a home and other things
    Then if that is the American dream, it is gone from America. America has one of the lowest rates of economic mobility in the world. Even Canada, with an over $10 minimum wage, has surpassed us, and nordic countries have been ahead of us for awhile.

    As the popular quote goes, if you want to live the American Dream, move to Denmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Really? Because presently people are working their knuckles to the bone and still struggling to get by because people like you continually advocate for the removal of public assistance programs and lower wages.
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    The American Dream isnt to have an easy job and have everything you want. Its to have the OPPORTUNITY to work your knuckles to the bone if you wish, in order to have anything you want. To EARN a home and other things
    No man ever wished on his deathbed that he had spend more time working.

    If the American Dream is to work hard day in day out with barely any vacation for a wage that barely keeps you alive then its not really a dream, more like a nightmare.

    Not that the American Dream ever was relevant, since its basicly what the person using the term wants it to be, kinda like its the same with morals and god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    The American Dream isnt to have an easy job and have everything you want. Its to have the OPPORTUNITY to work your knuckles to the bone if you wish, in order to have anything you want. To EARN a home and other things
    You are aware the way to have anything you want is not to work? It's just to have money and make money off it out of thin air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goblinpaladin View Post
    Are you purposefully dense?.
    In a rampant inflationary scenario the people owning money would lose as that money loses value, and last i checker the bottom third of America is in debt, I.E they would gain from it.
    Now you wanna talk about debt. You have no authority to talk about debt when you mention more money being in circulation as a good thing. Or when consumption is your only measure for an economy. I'm for saving and investing not people spending their new found money in order to 'create more jobs'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled
    you do know that the minimum standard for public assistance is above the minimum wage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled
    Nope it is completely possible for someone to work 3 minimum wage jobs and still need government assistance because minimum wage is disgustingly low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Prices don't rise because of inflation. Prices rising is called inflation.
    What's printing money called?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled
    This is insulting towards millions of people who work harder then you and provide your lazy ass with the things you need to survive, you are terrible and you don't even realise why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled
    So if a person is working two jobs and has to resort to welfare simply to pay rent or buy food then they aren't 'working their knuckles to the bone'.

    What a lovely bubble of privilege you live in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If they are receiving public assistance, they arent working their knuckles to the bone, or they are disabled
    I worked 40 hrs a week and still needed public assistance. You live in a completely delusional world.

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