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  1. #1241
    Quote Originally Posted by Grummgug View Post
    What is wrong with you? I clearly pointed out how rent is super cheap in several US cities, and you play semantics? Take a nap.
    It has nothing to do with semantics.

    I live in Lousiville Kentucky. Now Mr Smart Guy tell me do you know how much it would cost me to move all my stuff to Pittsburgh or Cleveland. Also keep in mind there MUST be a job in those locations waiting for me.

    Why move to a city that has no job waiting for me. If I didn't find one in a month I would be homeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    What's the federal minimum wage, $7.25 an hour? So you'd have to work over 40 hours to afford $300 a week in rent. That's just the rent, not utilities, food, transport, clothes...
    Don't bring those details into this arguement they hate it when you factor in everything else that is NEEDED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    I couldn't live on 10.10 per hour. I don't know how anyone could vote against it. We shouldn't have people working for wages that force them into welfare.
    middle class lives off $10-12 per hour

  3. #1243
    Quote Originally Posted by Grummgug View Post
    What is wrong with you? I clearly pointed out how rent is super cheap in several US cities, and you play semantics? Take a nap.
    I more clearly pointed out your glaring error about how one could rent a house for $295/month which you attempted to use to reinforce your absurd point about the prevalence of cheap housing. Since your obvious intention was "look, a whole fucking house for $295!", yet the reality was a studio/efficiency for $295, its pretty key to the discussion. This is not semantics. This was you spouting bullshit and being wrong...as usual.


    But here I am trying to discuss logic with someone who believes the answer to those who can't afford decent housing is to move.

  4. #1244
    Quote Originally Posted by DTFlock View Post
    middle class lives off $10-12 per hour
    bullshit.

    My dad makes around $15 a hour and is far from living like middle class. This isnt 1975 where $15 is high paying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTFlock View Post
    middle class lives off $10-12 per hour
    "Middle class" isn't 25k a year with no time off. That would be the extreme low end of the middle class in the poorer states, at best.

    52 (weeks) x 40 (hours) = 2080
    2080 (hours/year) x 12 (dollars an hour) = 24960
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    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

  6. #1246
    I still think it's funny to see people arguing that a higher minimum wage will mean no lost jobs and higher economic activity. Assuming that were true, it should make sense to bump the min. wage up pretty damn high. Of course it's not...

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    Thats good, if people want to make more money dont look at the state for it. Put yourself through schooling and earn a job that makes you get 45k - 150k a year screw working at McDonalds and earning enough to support a full family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim89 View Post
    Thats good, if people want to make more money dont look at the state for it. Put yourself through schooling and earn a job that makes you get 45k - 150k a year screw working at McDonalds and earning enough to support a full family.
    ...FFS Schooling costs a lot of money. They can't go through schooling if they can't afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim89 View Post
    Thats good, if people want to make more money dont look at the state for it. Put yourself through schooling and earn a job that makes you get 45k - 150k a year screw working at McDonalds and earning enough to support a full family.
    Now if only we could figure out that pesky 5-100k per semester tuition...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angella View Post
    I still think it's funny to see people arguing that a higher minimum wage will mean no lost jobs and higher economic activity. Assuming that were true, it should make sense to bump the min. wage up pretty damn high. Of course it's not...
    More money in peoples pocket more money they can spend and put back into the economy. The less they have the less they can spend.

    Tell me this. We have had a all time high in unemployment rate and yet the prices of EVERYTHING that skyrocketed.

    Tell me what is the lower and even middle class suppost to do? Don't say "get a better job" because like I pointed out unemployment is high and there is less and less jobs out there.

    Everything has gotten higher over the years while minimum wage has stayed the same. What sense dose that make at all.
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    And in other news:

    "Democrats were unable to pass a bill that would make even more illegal aliens and poor people vote for them in the next election." Gotta get them leechers on the government tit to keep the Dems in office.

    I'm half-way joking....obviously.

    It sucks that our minimum wage is so low and that politicians are blocking it from being raised, but I don't think simply raising the minimum wage is the be-all, end-all answer. There are other factors involved that contribute to poverty as well that get completely ignored. And the fact that corporations who pretty much run the government are the ones wanting stuff like this to fail...especially if it allows for more profit, even if it's only short term profit.

  12. #1252
    Quote Originally Posted by timtim89 View Post
    ut yourself through schooling and earn a job that makes you get 45k - 150k a year
    Someone can't be this stupid....can they.


    It cost MONEY to go to school and even if you go to school and get 50k-100k+ in det that dose not mean you will get a 45k-150k a year job.
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    That and over half of college graduates find themselves dumped right back into the min wage grinder for 2+ years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angella View Post
    I still think it's funny to see people arguing that a higher minimum wage will mean no lost jobs and higher economic activity. Assuming that were true, it should make sense to bump the min. wage up pretty damn high. Of course it's not...
    That's the same assumption that leads from 'milk does a body good', to puking your guts out. Everything in moderation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayden54 View Post
    Rent here is $350/month. $10/hr is a lot more in some places in others, but the federal minimum wage would be the same everywhere. Maybe NJ needs a higher state min wage.

    Then again that $350/month is in Illinois. Don't live anywhere near Chicago.
    Whereas my apartment is $575 a month and its the cheapest I found within commuting distance of my job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angella View Post
    I still think it's funny to see people arguing that a higher minimum wage will mean no lost jobs and higher economic activity. Assuming that were true, it should make sense to bump the min. wage up pretty damn high. Of course it's not...
    A minimum wage hike would cost jobs and raise prices. An extreme minimum wage hike.

    But there would be no noticeable draw backs (unless you're astute enough to notice prices going up by mere pennies) for the increase proposed by Congress. There's nothing extreme about $10.10.

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    If I didn't find one in a month I would be homeless.
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  16. #1256
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    How is remaining in a minimum wage job for longer than, say, 12 months not a lifestyle choice? For that matter, remaining "unskilled"? There are plenty of marketable trade skills that can be acquired autodidactically, for no investment other than one's time -- how is not committing one's free time to acquiring them, not a lifestyle choice?
    You asked these questions rhetorically, but they need an answer: Health issues, disabilities, family obligations, and on and on. You (and not just you, many in this thread) are projecting your own situation in life on everyone and coming to the conclusion that it's easy to earn more than minimum wage.

    The problem with that kind of thinking is it leads people to be aggressive toward those who are poor without really understanding their situation. Everyone will seem lazy or unambitious. This is then propped up by stories of those from a poor neighborhood who have exceptional skills and go on to become wealthy. This reinforces the idea that the poor can do more, they just don't want to.

    I'm not saying every poor person is stuck being poor. I'm not saying that many have opportunities that they do not take (everyone has such opportunities...). What I am saying is that there are real, unavoidable circumstances that cause many poor to stay poor. Don't oversimplify the situations of nearly 50,000,000 people.

  17. #1257
    Quote Originally Posted by rayden54 View Post
    Rent here is $350/month. $10/hr is a lot more in some places in others, but the federal minimum wage would be the same everywhere. Maybe NJ needs a higher state min wage.
    Pretty much any place within a 40-50 mile radius or so of NYC is crazy expensive to live in compared to other parts of the country aside from California probably. Car insurance is crazy too, and you have to pay $1.50 toll to drive every 10 miles on the parkway. The turnpike costs $2-8 dollars to drive on. If you want to use the Holland Tunnel or Verrazano Bridge it's $14. You could live on one side, work literally 2 miles away, and have to pay the $14 toll. I reallyyyyy wonder where all this money goes,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim89 View Post
    Thats good, if people want to make more money dont look at the state for it. Put yourself through schooling and earn a job that makes you get 45k - 150k a year screw working at McDonalds and earning enough to support a full family.
    Screw that, somebody needs to flip my burgers, and a minumim wage below the poverty line is not a satisfactionary wage for them. You want to lower unemployment but you offer unemployed a slaves wage. No wonder the USA is 2nd world.
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  19. #1259
    Quote Originally Posted by Druidjezus View Post
    By your logic, people in Pakistan have TWICE the purchasing power of people in the U.S., so please elaborate how what you said makes any sense at all?

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    It also doesn't factor in the PPP relative to the average income, which might make for an actually USEFUL chart.
    It's not MY logic, and I didn't even bring it up. He's the one who said Switzerland has more purchasing power. And for all we know people in Pakistan DO have twice the purchasing power because maybe everything there is cheap as dog shit /shrug. I have no idea, honestly, nor do I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    If people can't afford shit how the fuck are they going to move? No people aren't mouthing off. You are just regurgitating fantasy. Moving isn't free nor cheap.
    It's sure as shit cheaper than paying rent in NYC or LA. Take your pick.

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    My question is, in a country where neither the cost of education nor the cost of health care is kept cheap through taxes, and where worker benefits are kept at an absolute minimum, how can it be hard to pay measly $10 an hour minimum wage? Exactly where is all the extra tax money going, that is not going towards making sure the poor have cheap access to both health care and education, or various worker benefits? It seems like it could easily be used to increase minimum wages to make up for the lack of benefits?
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