New patch allows us to upgrade 4 times instead of 2.....

[Jessicka]

Havent capped valor in 3 months, have been on 3k valor capped. As soon as patch arrives, spend 3k +1k vp from that week. Also dont forget we are getting tomes of valor from timeless coin . 3k coins for 100vp and there is no cap on timeless coins, so grind away

The VP cap will still include those points converted from coins.

[Deleted]

I think we already have at least 2 threads open on the same subject.

But yes, we will be allowed to upgrade our items 2 more times as well as buying 100 Valorpoints for 3000 Timeless Coins.

But as usual some people will find ways to complain about even that too.

[Anzen]

Yay! Finally something to spend my valors on! And a reason to not sit at valor cap and mope about all that potential valor from killing raid bosses going to waste.

*presses the Like button on this change*

Oh and... my 250k timeless coins will get some use too... though only a few of them. But still... being able to dump a few of those buggers is neat.

When I first saw the the Timeless Coins = Valor Points changed, I was trying to imagine if it had no cap.

Then I envisioned myself at the timeless isle farming like 400,000 timeless coins so I could have amazing gear.

Not sure whether I liked the idea or not actually!

[Vintersol]

thoughts?

My thoughts are that i'm upset about people who complain about everything.

[Deleted]

My thoughts are that i'm upset about people who complain about everything.

"-God damnit, they give me tools to make my character 15-20% stronger. Now Im forced to do this on all my 12 alts! Screw you Blizzard!"

Yeah some people exist just to complain, even if good things happen.

[sourmonkey]

is this how they keep us busy?

"yeaaahhhh not gonna bother making endgame content for a year, better let players continue to valorcap for 6 more months."

source: http://ptr.wowhead.com/news=239002/p...onal-item-upgr

seriously disappointed how blizzard managed their time in this expansion.
thoughts?

its more so a Nerf to SoO but not one done to the bosses rather they are over-stating armor in hopes players eventually have so much gear they just face roll everything.

i consider it a Buff to players armors that they work for , that nerfs content without touching said contents hardiness.

[Anzen]

"-God damnit, they give me tools to make my character 15-20% stronger.

8 Ilvls =/= 20% damage increase.

You're probably look at half that.

[Deleted]

I'm not really bothered by it. However I do found it strange that Blizzard removed reforging etc, because it was "an extra step to make before an item you get is usefull. And we want items you get to be faster/instantly usefull as an upgrade"

When i am decked out in 4/4 normal gear, that would now be 553 + 16 = 569. Stronger than a newly acquired heroic item at 566. So I have to upgrade it's valor value first before the heroic item gets usefull as an upgrade.

[Sengiratolom]

valor hard capped for like a month, 520k timeless coins stored due to the bigger bag achieve farming. Finaly a use for both, even if the 2 pieces i lack for BiS end up not dropping this would give me a reason to log outside of the daylie crafting and the wednesday 13/14 hc clears.
Also with upgrades being there for all, i might actually see hc garrosh again instead of it being killed on thursday evenings when i have to work. wtb garrosh heirloom for lvling.

[emni]

This is bullshit for anyone who is in full heroic gear with no warforged pieces yet, essentially needing 28k valor (25 weeks, aka half a year) to upgrade 28 items (32 if not using tier pieces).

So you are telling me that there is someone out there who has full heroic gear and hasn't upgraded a single slot yet? I'd like to see the armory link.

[Anzen]

So you are telling me that there is someone out there who has full heroic gear and hasn't upgraded a single slot yet? I'd like to see the armory link.

I'd imagine there's a fair few players. Most of the buyers we take in manage to get full heroic gear.

[Deleted]

8 Ilvls =/= 20% damage increase.

You're probably look at half that.

Yeah, either way a significant powerboost.

So you are telling me that there is someone out there who has full heroic gear and hasn't upgraded a single slot yet? I'd like to see the armory link.

If they have full heroic gear and not upgraded then its their own fault for holding their raid back by not upgrading.

[emni]

I'd imagine there's a fair few players. Most of the buyers we take in manage to get full heroic gear.

That's a pretty edge case scenario though, and includes very few people who actually have the gold to buy a boost. Most of them won't even need 4/4 upgrades either. Why would they? This whole things is supposed to help progressing guilds.

[Kapaya]

If you don't like it it's quite simple - Quit. It's been stated that there won't be any content until WoD, so simply quit until then. If you really want to play an MMO, give Wildstar a go, it is probably the closest thing you'll come to WoW. Perfect way to keep you occupied until WoD release.

[Darkfriend]

Best case scenario is 15 heroic items (14+cape), all 2/2 upgraded already. With the new patch you will have to add 2 more upgrades to each item, requiring 7500 vp to make them all 582. Then over time you have to replace 10 of those items with HC WF versions (572 base lvl), which you can't use until you have upgraded them at least 3 times (for them to be better than 582). In the end all those will require additional 10k valor, for a grand total of 17.5k, that's still 18 weeks (4 months).

The weekly valor cap needs to be removed for this to be a viable nerf/buff.

Not at all.

1.) You don't *Have* to do anything. People who have full heroic gear, in general have had this instance on farm for MONTHS. Those who don't get a small boost to help with the last few bosses. Those who are further behind for reasons other than starting late or taking breaks won't really be impacted either way, since it is more coordination and player skill that holds back people at lower levels. Look at this as what it is, a way to "nerf" SoO by increasing player power, not making bosses hit for less.

2.) It is very much a "viable" buff. The DPS gain for a warrior from BiS/very close to BiS gear currently to what it will be with full 4/4 instead of 2/2 is over 60,000 DPS. It's closer to 65,000. That's close to a 15% DPS gain. Now, not every upgrade is equal either. Upgrading weapons, trinkets, helm, chest, legs will be much larger increases over things like rings and necklaces. So even not having every upgrade right away is still a huge gain, especially if you have any amount of valor stocked up. Most people I know have 3k valor saved for months, and will have 4k valor the first week (3k saved, 1k earned). That's 8 item slots. Both weapons, both trinkets, chest, helm. For warriors, weapons are the largest gain. It's easily 8% DPS gain right here. Week one. That's HUGE. Even just upgrading one weapon twice more is a large gain.

3.) Your base assumption is flawed because your rate of acquisition and replacement doesn't model real world circumstances. Sure, if you're going from full normal/flex to full heroic/heroic WF you'll need more valor. What's new? But the vast majority of raiders are going to have most to all of their gear upgraded now. 14-16 slots is 7-8 weeks, which if you have 3k valor banked is only 4-5 weeks from the patch. That is much more realistic.

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8 Ilvls =/= 20% damage increase.

You're probably look at half that.

~15% for warriors. From ~454k to ~516k.

[Anzen]

~15% for warriors. From ~454k to ~516k.

That's about 12%. Plus it's as low as 8% for other classes that don't scale so well from weapons so I think saying it's about half of 20% is pretty accurate.

[Deleted]

13% killed Garrosh on Normal and you make this post that there will be no endgame ? for 87 % there is still this endgame to conquer and the 2 x upgrade might help them to defeat the endgame.

Every1 has seen the endcontent trough LFR. Why bother running same raids over and over with different difficultys if the only thing that change is gear stats and the difficulty. I dont get it how people are pleased with these different difficulty raids. Its the same. I would love to see again the days where raids had only one difficulty: HARD.
I think there are alot of peoples who thinks like me. If you have seen the game trough LFR, then why bother going different difficultys and run again again again again. People give zero value and respect to raiders cause who gives a shit when every1 has seen the end.

[Jessicka]

Every1 has seen the endcontent trough LFR. Why bother running same raids over and over with different difficultys if the only thing that change is gear stats and the difficulty. I dont get it how people are pleased with these different difficulty raids. Its the same. I would love to see again the days where raids had only one difficulty: HARD.
I think there are alot of peoples who thinks like me. If you have seen the game trough LFR, then why bother going different difficultys and run again again again again. People give zero value and respect to raiders cause who gives a shit when every1 has seen the end.

Because character power progression is a thing. Why do people run through Diablo 3 ad nauseum? Why is item level the metric used to compare characters?

[DemoBytom]

Doesn't bother me at all. I've done all my content, so it's now just a farm. Gear upgrades are almost not important at all.
For those that still are progressing - at least they have a chance to finally beat those bosses plus have a reason to get valor (I stopped capping like 2 months ago?)

[Deleted]

Every1 has seen the endcontent trough LFR. Why bother running same raids over and over with different difficultys if the only thing that change is gear stats and the difficulty. I dont get it how people are pleased with these different difficulty raids. Its the same. I would love to see again the days where raids had only one difficulty: HARD.
I think there are alot of peoples who thinks like me. If you have seen the game trough LFR, then why bother going different difficultys and run again again again again. People give zero value and respect to raiders cause who gives a shit when every1 has seen the end.

Have you ever thought maybe MMO-games just arent for you?